overlord
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Post by overlord on Aug 28, 2014 12:57:12 GMT 10
Remember that Earthquake adage "Duck, Cover, Hold" then get out when things have stabilized?
I would also apply that to this type of a scenario.
Duck: Get off the radar and monitor Cover: Ensure all your preps/home are secure (not because of marauders/raiders but rather crime also has a tendency to rise during power outages) Hold: Assess the situation. Use the info you gather from the three basic sources: Observation, relayed info from others, and from communications like radios/tv (if you have the power to run it)
Evacuate: only if necessary
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 19:17:57 GMT 10
You can't hotwire modern cars!! The ignition has a encoded receiver, without the programmed key... You may start it, but you won't get far Interesting.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 28, 2014 20:40:49 GMT 10
Yep, nothing with an ECU.
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 28, 2014 21:04:03 GMT 10
You can't hotwire modern cars!! The ignition has a encoded receiver, without the programmed key... You may start it, but you won't get far Interesting. Any "major" brand past 2000 its almost garranteed, wanna test it?? Take your car key and get a copy cut but not programmed Go use that key, reset one of the km counters and see how far you go, some cars will get 0km, some 75 km and some can do a few hundred... You can get around it, but you need to know about control modules and have the equipment for the computer to accept the "unprogrammed" key So with a neighbor leaving their 2nd car, your better off breaking into their home and lookin for the spare key than attempting the hotwire (this is how cars are getting stolen today)
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 28, 2014 21:06:50 GMT 10
Yep, nothing with an ECU. Close,
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Post by brad on Aug 28, 2014 22:17:41 GMT 10
Hey PH. Liking the input. The manual I attached shows you how to start an old car without a key, to start a new car you have to remove the transponder/immobilizer unit, this differs pending on the type of car, I have done this with a couple of my cars to see how it can be done and it isn't too hard (unless you neighbor is driving a Million dollar car).
I some cars this is a very simple process, remove the cover for the steering column and then use a allen key to remove the top part of the ignition barrel, take out the first ring then follow that wire back to the main unit and remove it. This works in a couple of models I have tried it on.
The attached document is just telling you to short out the solenoid, a very quick and simple method to get an old car going (plenty of practice thanks to a shitty old kingswood and corola I had years ago).
Another method I have tried is in a ford falcon I had, it was a 1991 EB and found it by chance. I put my key in and it kept turning so I though ok, better fix that as I couldn't start the car. I took off the steering column cover, looked at the ignition barrel and could see I needed a small allen key, undid that, and off came the first part of the barrel. All I could see then was a little slot, grabbed a 5cent coin from the console and turned it in the slot and the car started. I ran the car like that for about a week before I replaced the barrel with a push start.
That can had a immobilisers chip in the key, only reason it worked is because I took the top part of the barrel of and disconnected the unit.
Not sure if it is wise to list all the ways to start cars here however if it is a skill you would like to have a little research and you will find some answers.
In a situation like this I would try anything to make sure my family and I can stay safe, so if there is a car next door, new or old I will attempt to use it to get the family out of danger. I'm sure the neighbor wouldn't mind if I replaced the car or fixed any damage. I know my neighbors and get a long well with them. In reality if there was a situation like this they would more than likely come over if they knew my car was in the shop or not working they would hand me the keys and say good luck. (they know I would rather just be with family in a SHTF situation then meet up somewhere at a later date if needed).
That raises another point, is there someone in your area you would contact to either bug in or out with. Would you go it alone or team up with other preppers in your area.
For me, as mentioned before, I would rather sort the family out and establish a place then would invite others to stay that I believe wouldn't be an issue or problem. Last thing I would want is to have someone that could slow me down or question a location, I already have a wife that is more than capable of doing that.
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 28, 2014 23:14:43 GMT 10
All falcons and commadores between 1990 and 2000 the "smart lock" system is a micro switch in the ignition very easy to bypass, but breaking into a house, hunting down the spare car key (or normal keys) and the need to hotwire is gone
But back to modern cars, thats past 2000 unless its a worked of its tits car, you will have issues... As you need the "body control" unit to keep her going (its a 2nd computer) hotwireing may work but you wont get much distance out of it before problems start, you have done the exersise, have you gone more than 300km on the hotwire??
I have to be careful here, but I have a member of the family that dose that kinda stuff for a living (legally) including programming keys...
But sticking to the scaniro.. And even with your neighbors, breaking in and "borrowing" the keys is almost a no brainer (just to the sport of this) hotwiring a unknown car will take time... And the last thing i will rush into (i hope you see this point)
The newer cars with cheaper tech makes hotwiring a thing of the past (and the new cars you hear are stollen its with keys)
I know some cars with a blank key (between 90-00) a blank key with ignition on for 34 mins she will start... I dont know what newer ones this will work on... But wont be many
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 23:56:29 GMT 10
Any "major" brand past 2000 its almost garranteed, wanna test it?? Take your car key and get a copy cut but not programmed Go use that key, reset one of the km counters and see how far you go, some cars will get 0km, some 75 km and some can do a few hundred... You can get around it, but you need to know about control modules and have the equipment for the computer to accept the "unprogrammed" key So with a neighbor leaving their 2nd car, your better off breaking into their home and lookin for the spare key than attempting the hotwire (this is how cars are getting stolen today) ...it's good to know these things!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 9:23:36 GMT 10
What would I do? Light the kero lamp, turn on the Jenny, change to the solar and sit by the fire having a cold one...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 16:13:59 GMT 10
What would I do? Light the kero lamp, turn on the Jenny, change to the solar and sit by the fire having a cold one... I'm learning!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 17:45:34 GMT 10
What would I do? Light the kero lamp, turn on the Jenny, change to the solar and sit by the fire having a cold one... I'm learning! Learning is good!!!! Me thinks most people watch too much TV...LOL... Getting a good food & water supply ahead of time is essential. Preppers need to "KISS"...LOL (Keep It Simple Stupid)...Do Not Panic...But have a plan and follow through...and you should be fine. Skills are fine...but a plan and plenty of preps are essential...Getting ahead of the game,keep an eye on what is happening...Nothing happens overnight...there will be warnings, knowing when to act is the key! (You never go scuba diving without checking if there is air in the tank!..Ya don't go to sea in a power boat with out checking the fuel and supplies) Plan for the worst, but hope for the best!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 17:54:05 GMT 10
Train hard, fight easy.
--> sounds good!
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 31, 2014 18:12:33 GMT 10
Learning is good!!!! Me thinks most people watch too much TV...LOL... Getting a good food & water supply ahead of time is essential. Preppers need to "KISS"...LOL (Keep It Simple Stupid)...Do Not Panic...But have a plan and follow through...and you should be fine. Skills are fine...but a plan and plenty of preps are essential...Getting ahead of the game,keep an eye on what is happening...Nothing happens overnight...there will be warnings, knowing when to act is the key! (You never go scuba diving without checking if there is air in the tank!..Ya don't go to sea in a power boat with out checking the fuel and supplies) Plan for the worst, but hope for the best! Planning is the hardest and most important part of what we do... No point having the best equipment, the latest training, years worth of supplies if they don't suit your plans (what's the point of having 2 years worth of food if your focus is bugging out, that's where planning comes in) Also those that fail to plan, plan to fail
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Sept 1, 2014 7:32:28 GMT 10
Prior Planing Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
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