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Post by myrrph on Feb 12, 2014 18:32:51 GMT 10
some stuff has been worrying.
1. China's growing influence and the whole spratleys thing.
2. Indonesian Navy named new frigate after the 2 terrorists who bombed a place in Singapore.
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Post by pheniox17 on Feb 12, 2014 18:41:07 GMT 10
point 1... don't loose any sleep
point 2... concerning, its a big f you to the west, but right now with this tow back scheme, we have been doing a big f you to them....
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Post by myrrph on Feb 12, 2014 19:27:33 GMT 10
yeah. some guys from a local forum have been monitoring this quite closely.
there've been some minor scuffles like withdrawing invites for the Singapore Air Show and the likes.
Time will tell I guess. Doesn't hurt to monitor it.
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Post by prepper on Feb 12, 2014 19:40:00 GMT 10
I was drawn to this article due to the heading ASIA/ASEAN, Yes the issue with China is something that has to be monitored however the ASEAN part is a possible solution to the EURO and US collapse. ASEAN has been around for years however not many know that they have been working on a remodel, so much so the US and China both tried to get in on the act only to have the door slammed. Though it will not be a fix to the current issues it does have the potential to flip market. The west would be cheap labor and the ASEAN members will be reaping in the revenue.
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Post by myrrph on Feb 14, 2014 15:11:54 GMT 10
yeah. we don't really like interference.... lol. i don't know if the west would be cheap labour but if you see the movement of people from the west to Asean countries, its quite scary.
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Post by SA Hunter on Feb 15, 2014 17:10:06 GMT 10
Thanks for the info - keep us informed!!
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Post by overlord on Feb 17, 2014 16:22:35 GMT 10
China is threatening countries who have bases in the islands with an invasion if they do no evacuate within the year.
The Philippines has been threatened regarding our presence on "PAGASA" island with a full military strike if we do not pull out because they have to reclaim their sovereignty on their "lands"...
I see this as more of a game of supplies because there is so much fish in the region and there has been large reserves of oil that were detected in the area and obviously, China WANTS it!
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Post by myrrph on Feb 17, 2014 16:32:43 GMT 10
yah. it obviously has nothing to do with soverignty. Its all about resources.
If you look back at WWII, there is some similarity with Japan in WWII and China now. Industry is building up and resources are insufficient.
That parallel is really scary.
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Feb 24, 2014 16:56:03 GMT 10
does that make North Korea the Germany in that scenario ?
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Post by myrrph on Feb 24, 2014 17:11:52 GMT 10
lol. thats funny.
NK's people are no where as brilliant as german scientists.
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Post by SA Hunter on Feb 24, 2014 17:43:45 GMT 10
I remember in Primary school we were taught that Indonesia wanted to take us over, now China seems to be the one that would be eyeing off our resources. But, don't discount India either - massive population, running out of land, and becoming a power house in the area too.
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Post by myrrph on Feb 24, 2014 19:01:50 GMT 10
India's getting a new state. And they're developing pretty a pretty good arms industry which is scary.
Indo did try to thwart the Malaysian independence and we got dragged in. Thats the confrontation.
China has enough money to buy up countries, they don't have to take over, they can buy over.
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Post by overlord on Feb 25, 2014 15:42:42 GMT 10
Unfortunately, myrrph, China is experiencing a major decline in what was their strength before: manufacturing and exports. A lot of foreign companies are pulling out. If they call in all their foreign loans, SHTF for practically all economies and they would probably have the money to buy out other countries. That is the reason they are taking an aggressive stance in the West Philippine Sea because they want to make the resources there as a cash cow to revive their economy should the current trend continue.
India is becoming a military powerhouse. In fact, they have been sending warships into the West Philippine Sea to ensure that China does not hinder the movement ships in the international waters (which to China is part of their country).
NoKor may not be as bright but they have the assistance of the Iranian nuclear scientists that's why the Israelis covertly engaged in the "removal" of these Iranian nuclear scientists.
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Post by myrrph on Feb 25, 2014 16:01:15 GMT 10
yup. They are slowly losing their competitive advantage. The salaries in cities like Shanghai are reaching equivalence as cities like New York and London (dollar for dollar and not usd/euro conversion comparison). Property in those places are also going up like crazy and unsustainably so.
China is beginning to realize that it needs to increase internal consumption to reach the levels of growth its used to. They have to be careful, because for asians, savings is normal. Once they reach the level of like the US, they will be in trouble. One US is bad enough, but 2?
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Post by overlord on Feb 25, 2014 16:38:11 GMT 10
Well, they can cancel each other out...
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Post by shinester on Mar 7, 2014 2:07:28 GMT 10
"Since a sovereign government, by definition, controls its own affairs, it cannot be obliged to pay back its debt.[2] Nonetheless, governments may face severe pressure from lending countries. In the most extreme cases, a creditor nation may declare war on a debtor nation for failing to pay back debt, in order to enforce creditor's rights. For example, Britain routinely invaded countries that failed to repay foreign debts, invading Egypt in 1882.[citation needed] Other examples include the United States' "gunboat diplomacy" in Venezuela in the mid-1890s and the United States occupation of Haiti beginning in 1915.[3] A government which defaults may also be excluded from further credit and some of its overseas assets may be seized;[3] and it may face political pressure from its own domestic bondholders to pay back its debt. Therefore governments rarely default on the entire value of their debt. Instead, they often enter into negotiations with their bondholders to agree on a delay or partial reduction of their debt payments, which is often called a debt restructuring or 'haircut'." - SOURCE
If it really came down to China calling in their debts, the yanks and everyone else can just stick their finger up, or do what they always do, raise their inflation. Especially the Yanks who whilst would suffer from the inability to import, would also kill much of china's exports and prosperity, since much of that is with the US. Whilst China build their army and economics, the US is still far more militarialy powerful than any other nation, imagine trying to go to war with them, even if conventional, they are unmatched and they're strong alliances and NATO influence also make them ever more powerful. There's no question in my mind, China are happy with the prosperity and will continue to build themselves, grabbing for power yes, attempting small gains and flexing muscles and rattling sabres, suicidal no [even with the one-party-dictatorship] Give it 20-30 years and who knows.
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Post by overlord on Mar 11, 2014 19:36:31 GMT 10
The latest news on the West Philippine Sea (aka South China Sea), the Chinese Navy and Coast Guard pushes away any ship from the Philippines that try to enter "their territory".
- Water Cannoned Fishing boats - Supply ships bringing food and water to our post in the islands was blocked and forced out of the area
This is now a direct affront and what is our government doing about it? Nothing! They just file diplomatic protests with China and China just tells us to F*** OFF (in chinese hehehe)
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 11, 2014 20:32:41 GMT 10
Rather aggressive of them!
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Post by overlord on Mar 12, 2014 14:16:47 GMT 10
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Post by myrrph on Mar 17, 2014 14:48:27 GMT 10
will they eventually fight? point to ponder
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