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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 23, 2020 19:34:54 GMT 10
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Post by kelabar on Oct 23, 2020 21:38:22 GMT 10
Food stocks adequate, yields of staples slightly above average, no emergencies, and food only short when people are getting screwed over. Same ...., different year.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Oct 24, 2020 5:41:27 GMT 10
Prediction: China will act like North Korea. "Send us food, and remove the "A gift from Aus/US' labels". (implied...or else we get stroppy and test missiles over say, Japan.
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Post by Beno on Oct 28, 2020 17:03:12 GMT 10
We are ploughing food back into the ground. link
It is interesting and one of the main reasons why the “food bowl” of the north was not developed. Too far to transport, labour shortages, climate, expensive to implement etc. It’s not the lack of food but all the BS that goes with industrial scale food production. sometimes it falters.
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Post by kelabar on Oct 28, 2020 18:34:32 GMT 10
It’s not the lack of food but all the BS that goes with industrial scale food production. Too right. Some gov tosser decide "We'll get all those grubby backpackers to do the work." All their cronies said "Yay. Problem solved. Plus there can be more regulation and bureaucracy which is always a good thing!" Morons. The end result is a workforce that doesn't want to be there, they have no experience, can't speak English and are doing a shit job because why would they care. Every year everything has to be taught again, people get pissed off, the harvest takes longer and everyone rorts the system for everything they can get. Yeah, well done. Or the system could have been left to sort itself out. It would have cost more initially but this would have been offset by having a regular, experienced, more productive workforce. It also would have made it worthwhile to develop ways to mechanise the harvest as suggested by the farmer in the link. End result would have been cheaper, easier food. But don't worry the gov has come up with another bloody scheme. No doubt this one will fix everything. Birds will be singing, people dancing in the streets, dog and cats living together in harmony! Sure, don't hold your breath! :rolls eyes:
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Post by bug on Oct 28, 2020 18:47:31 GMT 10
We are ploughing food back into the ground. link
It is interesting and one of the main reasons why the “food bowl” of the north was not developed. Too far to transport, labour shortages, climate, expensive to implement etc. It’s not the lack of food but all the BS that goes with industrial scale food production. sometimes it falters. Yep. It's a regular occurrence for food to be ploughed back into the field here for a variety of reasons.
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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 28, 2020 19:48:22 GMT 10
Should be grabbing unemployed and getting them to work to earn extra money. It's a win win.
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Post by kelabar on Oct 28, 2020 21:55:09 GMT 10
Should be grabbing unemployed and getting them to work to earn extra money. It's a win win. Sounds great but the end result would be: (quoting myself) "a workforce that doesn't want to be there, they have no experience, can't speak English and are doing a shit job because why would they care. Every year everything has to be taught again, people get pissed off, the harvest takes longer and everyone rorts the system for everything they can get." Sounds like a win for nobody IMO. But lots more bureaucracy so we got that going for us. The best results in anything come from people who are self-motivated. Examples of motivation include cash in business, mateship in warfare or idealism in an area someone cares about. A win-win situation is where both or all parties get a good result. 'Volunteer' positions work, imposed solutions don't. In this example the growers get their food harvested and the workforce gets paid for their work. Both are happy and want to be there. I know, it seems too simple!
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Post by bug on Oct 29, 2020 7:23:51 GMT 10
Should be grabbing unemployed and getting them to work to earn extra money. It's a win win. That's been tried numerous times over the years. Jobseeker isn't much different to what you get picking fruit unless you are a keen worker. So most would rather sit on the dole, with farmers resorting to migrants who are far better workers.
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Post by frostbite on Oct 29, 2020 8:28:36 GMT 10
Many years ago some of those on the file would pick fruit, earning extra tax free cash on the side. Then the TFN came in after the Australia Card plan was ditched, and the incentive to do that extra work was gone.
Add Immigration Dept raiding farms for visa breaches and the problem is exacerbated.
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Post by Beno on Oct 29, 2020 8:31:15 GMT 10
the dole should be based on how many buckets or bags they pick not hours worked, make it productivity based and it could help some long term recipients see the light that some hard work has rewards. It’s too soft and no penalty seems to apply for the ones who will not work. All we have done is reinforce the entitlement by being soft on the allocation and management of the dole. sure there will be exceptions but here is a job out there for most people.
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Post by bug on Oct 29, 2020 9:02:19 GMT 10
the dole should be based on how many buckets or bags they pick not hours worked, make it productivity based and it could help some long term recipients see the light that some hard work has rewards. It’s too soft and no penalty seems to apply for the ones who will not work. All we have done is reinforce the entitlement by being soft on the allocation and management of the dole. sure there will be exceptions but here is a job out there for most people. There is and always has been work out there for those who want it.
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Post by frostbite on Oct 29, 2020 12:00:01 GMT 10
I helped administer the Work for the Dole scheme over 20 years ago. A major issue was employers ditching paid staff and replacing them with free labour.
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Post by Beno on Oct 29, 2020 14:54:15 GMT 10
I helped administer the Work for the Dole scheme over 20 years ago. A major issue was employers ditching paid staff and replacing them with free labour. Yeah that is a good point and have seen that myself. My vision would be to offer them a job then cut the dole altogether. These co-payments don’t provide enough oompah to get off the tit. He job obviously needs to be FT but not necessarily permanent to allow the person to have a meaningful existence. Another thing and going out on a limb is how about we stop exporting our best produce and keep some for us? Most of the fresh produce at the shops tastes like peen while the good gear is sold to overseas buyers. I’m willi g to pay but how do i get access?
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Post by bushdoc2 on Oct 30, 2020 5:44:36 GMT 10
How about optional Dole/Citizenship?
Option 1. Stay on the dole, and centrelink won't pester you to work, but you are taken off the electoral role. Option 2. Be a net taxpayer (for the 3 year electoral cycle, not just the 6 week campaign), and you can apply to be put back on the electoral role.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 30, 2020 6:56:19 GMT 10
You'll have to explain how that gets a result Bushdoc.
A lot of people don't give a rats backside about voting! Or being a citizen!
There is always this problem when hatching a plan to 'make' people work: Some poor employer has to put up with with the slackers as shitty employees that don't do tasks properly or in an effective timeframe.
In South Australia the biggest single employment site for 'low-end' workers sits righ next to the town with the highest inter-generational unemployment rate. The company imports visa workers because they do the job right and they do it fast. They are reliable.
What might get a result is if said company raised wages to make people want to compete with each other to go and work there.
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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 30, 2020 12:21:54 GMT 10
Friends of mine in the SE of SA are vineyard contractors - got sick of locals whinging " these workers are taking away our jobs" So, they hired three - at lunch time they came up and said "We quit, pay us" He asked "Why?" They replied " We only wanted enough money for a carton of smokes and a few slabs of beer"
He never hired another Aussie again.
Maybe my work for the dole wasn't such a good idea!
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Post by Beno on Oct 30, 2020 15:34:16 GMT 10
Friends of mine in the SE of SA are vineyard contractors - got sick of locals whinging " these workers are taking away our jobs" So, they hired three - at lunch time they came up and said "We quit, pay us" He asked "Why?" They replied " We only wanted enough money for a carton of smokes and a few slabs of beer" He never hired another Aussie again. Maybe my work for the dole wasn't such a good idea! My opinion is those blokes should not get the dole after they did that.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 30, 2020 15:45:07 GMT 10
Work for 'benefits' could succeed ... if its attached to the right kinds of tasks. Tasks that require low skill and high effort, where quality can be easily managed and that can be paid 'per piece' rather than 'per hour'
Unfortunately most of those kinds of tasks have been automated, replaced by machinery or outsourced to cheap labor countries by Australian business owners. Those that are left tend to be in the food industry where it's difficult to maintain high quality/safe products using 'forced' labour.
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Post by frostbite on Oct 30, 2020 15:53:56 GMT 10
My mrs has had a 'work for benefits' programme in use for years. If I want benefits, I have to work around the house. Ironing and vacuuming get a higher rate of benefits, and if I clean the toilets or oven I get a special bonus.
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