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Post by captain on Apr 26, 2021 21:24:32 GMT 10
Hi all,
what are people’s thought about how the economic world may change due to the possible, or likely situation that COVID is with us for the long haul?
will international travel be restricted, what about more job losses from the service and hospitality workers, the greater rise in part time and insecure work. Would this lead to more crime? Trade will suffer,markets may tank and things will change.
I do see one of the biggest risks is the differences between 1st world and 3rd world countries. I can’t see the whole population ever being vaccinated (to whatever strain) and if that is the case, then any travel or migration would be an issue. Couple that with people wanting to leave an infected area enmasse. This will be a real issue in years, or months to come. As an example, how many Indians are trying to walk over some remote border now? Anyone care to guess? Same as png - that news quietened down very quickly but what exactly is happening there now and are people trying to escape by boat or mountain to try and protect themselves? The continent of Africa is another big question mark. I have heard of some reports from Tanzania but again, the borders in those countries are not very strong.
we live in a very globalised world now and vaccines are not everywhere (and some are dubious in their strength too). So what does this do to our connected world - and therefore the economy too?
we live in very interesting times....
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Post by lonewolf on Apr 26, 2021 23:45:25 GMT 10
Look into agenda 2030, this is where our connected world is heading.
what stands out for me is the social engineering aspect of all this and technocrats involved like anthropologists/philanthropists such as the cretinous bill gates and those like him, past and present. Rockefeller, Rothschilds, Clintons etc...
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Post by frostbite on Apr 27, 2021 5:47:32 GMT 10
I don't know anyone adversely impacted financially by Covid. One step child even made a huge profit, being paid jobkeeper at much higher amount than his casual rate. What happens in the third world (I include the USA in this) doesn't interest me. Illegal immigration here is much harder now that people can't fly in and overstay. I don't care if big business cry poor because they don't have a ready market of foreign slave labour to work in their cafes or pick their fruit. Adapt or die. You won't be missed, just replaced by someone better suited to the current situation.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 27, 2021 8:31:34 GMT 10
I don't think this is the end, could be the beginning of sorrows, but according to the Bible things have to get much worse. We havn't seen yet great earthquakes in diverse place, plagues, men's hearts failing them for fear etc. Wars and rumers of wars. Covid is a smoke screen, a distraction so the real ruler of the world can carry out his plans easily. Expect a massive disruption to society, either the grid power system, or health system or so called 'natural disaster', which may be man made. We already see many volcanoes activating and I am seeing lots more micro earthquakes on my seismograph, along with more electrical disturbances in the atmosphere, as measured with my electrometer. Has anyone considered just how difficult it will be to support yourself, family and others. Just having the land isn't enough, nor is the knowledge to farm it. It will take machinery, how much fuel have u stored for the tractor? Can you manufacture your own fuel from wood gas ? Have you alternate electrical power ? Communications will be vital. Have you a decent short wave radio to get news from around the world ? Weapons, ammo, reloading supply's, water, the list is endless. Have you thought about miscellaneous stuffs, tarps, Sikaflex for emergency sealing jobs, spares for machinery, rope, fencing wire and posts to create a garden and fence it off from hungry animals Even with additive, petrol etc will only last 12 - 18 months. Your thoughts please group.
If Cray made toasters they would cost $16 million, but would be faster than any other single slice toaster in the world.
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Post by Beno on Apr 27, 2021 16:01:07 GMT 10
I think of this continues there will be big benefits to local industry and investment. For example some big global miners are squealing to the .gov to allow more immigration of “skilled” migrants to fill job vacancies. So far this is still restricted and hopefully will finally force these buggers to properly invest and train local labour. The amount of foreign workers employed for the central qld gas projects was a national shame. An end result could be that a local miner who is financed and supported locally take up the slack. The same goes for all the toxic multis, no easy transition of labour could open a seam that spills their fat guts and redistributes some of their wealth and power. Zoom meetings and skype won’t fill the void.
bring it on!
I’m seeing heaps of Aussie businesses thrive in this uncertain environment. I feel for the coffee places but in reality that was just easy money.
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Post by spinifex on Apr 28, 2021 7:58:14 GMT 10
I don't think this is the end, could be the beginning of sorrows, but according to the Bible things have to get much worse. We havn't seen yet great earthquakes in diverse place, plagues, men's hearts failing them for fear etc. Wars and rumers of wars. Covid is a smoke screen, a distraction so the real ruler of the world can carry out his plans easily. Expect a massive disruption to society, either the grid power system, or health system or so called 'natural disaster', which may be man made. We already see many volcanoes activating and I am seeing lots more micro earthquakes on my seismograph, along with more electrical disturbances in the atmosphere, as measured with my electrometer. Has anyone considered just how difficult it will be to support yourself, family and others. Just having the land isn't enough, nor is the knowledge to farm it. It will take machinery, how much fuel have u stored for the tractor? Can you manufacture your own fuel from wood gas ? Have you alternate electrical power ? Communications will be vital. Have you a decent short wave radio to get news from around the world ? Weapons, ammo, reloading supply's, water, the list is endless. Have you thought about miscellaneous stuffs, tarps, Sikaflex for emergency sealing jobs, spares for machinery, rope, fencing wire and posts to create a garden and fence it off from hungry animals Even with additive, petrol etc will only last 12 - 18 months. Your thoughts please group. If Cray made toasters they would cost $16 million, but would be faster than any other single slice toaster in the world. Well ... the world worked fine pre-1880 and our Ye Olde Aboriginal folk made through 12,000 years of the last ice age without more than sticks and stones for tools. They did it by knowing stuff and knowing where to get stuff. They didn't carry much stuff or hoard much stuff. Hoards of 'stuff' might get one through a transient difficulty ... but the really big stuff (like an ice age) drags on for waaaaaaay longer than any hoard might sustain. So ... know stuff and know where to get stuff ... and don't stress.
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Post by norseman on Apr 28, 2021 8:08:58 GMT 10
Well ... the world worked fine pre-1880 and our Ye Olde Aboriginal folk made through 12,000 years of the last ice age without more than sticks and stones for tools. They did it by knowing stuff and knowing where to get stuff. They didn't carry much stuff or hoard much stuff. Hoards of 'stuff' might get one through a transient difficulty ... but the really big stuff (like an ice age) drags on for waaaaaaay longer than any hoard might sustain. So ... know stuff and know where to get stuff ... and don't stress. A stash of "stuff" will be useful while transitioning to a different World but for sure it will be the most flexible and the most adaptable that will survive! The more you know the less you'll need to carry on your "journey"!
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Post by frostbite on Apr 28, 2021 9:00:19 GMT 10
I'm going to trade my spare stuff for starving Vietnamese backpackers.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 28, 2021 9:29:36 GMT 10
Also, don't forget knowledge and how to use or repurpose "stuff", get into practice now, look for gear at the local tip, either repair it, or repurpose it. Develop an eye for stuff that can be repurposed, and especially for cast iron cookware. People seem to buy it, it looks good until it develops a coating of surface rust, then they chuck it out. I'm not too proud to pick it up, a light scrub with steel wool and a light oil with rice bran or olive oil. Good as new and will last for years, for free. Learn how to farm, just do the math's of storing enough food for 1 person for the 1260 days of the Bible. It amounts to several tons. Multiply that by the number in your group and we better all learn how to work the paddocks. I've been doing the figures for growing enough to survive for a family of 5, and its quite horrendous the amount of food that is needed. Add crop failures due to insects, rain, failed (old ?) seed, and not many are going to come through this. We have 105 reasonably flat acres, 20 kw off grid solar and 200 kwh battery bank, almost unlimited water (solar pumped to huge tanks for gravity feed back down to the crops), tractor and gear to do large scale farming, enough diesel fuel stored in the overhead tanks for at least 1 to 2 years, and even I am wondering if we will make it through. Without the Lords help we certainly wont. Thankfully, for believers, we know how long we have to survive for. Now for the tricky bit, working out where it starts from. There is no doubt we are in the beginnings of end times, I can see the grounds of the World shaking, and with the internet, so can you. Look up the on line seismographs. I've developed my own gear as the net will be one of the first things to go out, along with mobile phones. All it will take is one switch to be turned off and no phones. As I've pushed before, get a CB (UHF walki talki), find out what channel is yr local repeater and set it to that. You wont be caught unawares wtshtf. Much safer to talk to someone on the radio than meet them in person, even though they know u must be reasonably close to use the radio. Australia doesn't have much wild game, a few deer's, roos etc, so that can't be relied upon as a food source in most cases.
If Zerox made toasters, you could make single sided, or double sided toast. Successive slices would get lighter and lighter and the toaster would jam your bread for you.
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Post by frostbite on Apr 28, 2021 12:19:45 GMT 10
I'm curious. You call yourself Malewithatail, does that mean you believe in evolution?
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 28, 2021 13:19:08 GMT 10
I'm actually a creationalist, believe in the Biblical genesis account of the creation of the world, 7,000 years ago, and believe that Jesus Christ is coming again, soon, in our lifetime. The name comes from Uni days, when we were fooling around, drunk (as u usually are at Uni !), before my conversion and when I was somewhat wilder than I am now, some 40 years later ! I've been prepping since I was a teenager, when I realized the world was in a bad way and would probably self destruct in a nuclear fireball in the 1970's, it hasn't yet, but its getting closer. Whether its a nuke fireball, plague, natural disaster or what, doesn't matter. We must give ourselves and families the best chance of survival we can. If we can live the dream at the same time, that's a bonus. PS: I actually have home made and designed gear that can detect the electrical signature of a Nuclear explosion, underground or air burst. I detected the French tests in the Pacific in the 1980's, and wondered what the disturbances were until I did some research on EMP'S as a post doctorate. Pretty tame stuff now, but revolutionary in the 1980's.
If IBM made toasters, it would build one big toaster, where people would bring their bread to be toasted overnight.. IBM would then claim a worldwide market for perhaps 6 toasters.
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