norseman
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Post by norseman on May 19, 2021 9:20:41 GMT 10
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Post by frostbite on May 19, 2021 10:03:06 GMT 10
I can't see state grubbyments forking out the huge money required to check every person crossing the border on a permanent basis.
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Post by spinifex on May 19, 2021 20:23:56 GMT 10
I can't see state grubbyments forking out the huge money required to check every person crossing the border on a permanent basis. I dunno. Having seen whats done with livestock with EID's and panel readers ... it probably wouldn't be too hard or expensive to implement. Or even paywave tech ... you get a chipped card with your vaccination and you have to swipe it to get in to all sorts of places. No card? No entry! And ... of course ... they'd actually WANT a certain amount of non-compliance so they can have a task force to catch people and fine the shit out of them to pay for all the panel readers and such they install everywhere. They can make money out of this ... so it probably will be implemented.
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Post by frostbite on May 19, 2021 20:51:44 GMT 10
Let's take Qld for example, which has a total of approx 10,300km of border (both land and sea). How much would it cost to monitor every part of that border 24hrs a day? Probably billions of dollars every year. Just not going to happen. The media coverage about border restrictions is just scare tactics to get the sheep to take their vaccine.
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Post by lonewolf on May 19, 2021 23:11:22 GMT 10
most of what comes out of scomo's mouth is utter crap, hes just another piece of shit politician yes man for the 1%'ers.
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Post by spinifex on May 20, 2021 8:57:00 GMT 10
Let's take Qld for example, which has a total of approx 10,300km of border (both land and sea). How much would it cost to monitor every part of that border 24hrs a day? Probably billions of dollars every year. Just not going to happen. The media coverage about border restrictions is just scare tactics to get the sheep to take their vaccine. They don't need to monitor every km. They will just want to monitor the bulk of traffic. And the bulk of traffic will be coming and going via a limited number of specific locations. The great majority of people are lazy and would rather use the best routes in and out and use their card than mess around like illegal border crossers. And high foot traffic locations may end up like subway stations ... turnstyles and scanners to get in and out.
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Post by SA Hunter on May 20, 2021 15:03:17 GMT 10
It was on news radio today about this - they want it to be in place if, say there is another outbreak in Melbourne, you can only leave from there and go interstate if you have been vaccinated.
It does make sense in a way, but what happens if a variant goes through us, ie Indian variant, or, God forbid, another different plague/virus???
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Post by feralemma on May 21, 2021 18:03:42 GMT 10
They obviously can't monitor every inch of state border lines, but there really are only so many possible routes in and out of states as a lot of the land is fenced into agricultural properties. It's a bit different when you get out into the desert, but you have to be confident on your abilities to do that and still have to enter properties in order to get back onto most roads.
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Post by frostbite on May 21, 2021 18:22:59 GMT 10
Private property isn't a barrier to crossing the border, but it may be a barrier to government keeping watch.
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Post by lonewolf on May 21, 2021 22:53:47 GMT 10
I wonder how feasible using a boat along the coastline would be? Pretty sad when words like "illegal border crossing" is being used for the inhabitants of Australia, more natural freedom of movement being taken away because of a bad flu that has been blown out of all proportion that has mainly affected people in the age range on 70 - 90 years in shitty places like aged care homes and government run facilities.
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Post by Tim Horton on May 22, 2021 5:41:18 GMT 10
That seems part of the "carrot on the stick" plan for our province to get people to take the vaccine....
A big part of that being different travel rules in different provinces being blamed for travel issues people have..
"Carrot on the Stick" were exact words used by the province medical officer when she made that interview..
Card with a chip to prove vaccination at borders... Sounds like this could end up being a chip in your arm.... With what other medical or other personal information they choose to include... ??
The possibilities could be endless... ??
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Post by spatial on May 22, 2021 20:56:25 GMT 10
It will stop the majority of people , if one is driving a vehicle that is registered in another state that is not in the database as having entered the state, you will be stopped have to produce paperwork.
I singed an online petition on the subject, that was sponsored by "One Nation"
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Post by spinifex on May 23, 2021 8:37:11 GMT 10
Exactly Spatial.
The intent is not to stop eccentrics who are bent on crossing borders in far flung locations just to prove a point. It's to regulate the bulk of people. And the bulk of people will choose the much easier option of compliance than the stupidly difficult approach of non-compliance.
So ... vaccination will never be mandatory ... but living with out the card/microchip that comes with having a vaccination will be an administrative and logistical trauma.
I'm not a supporter of this approach ... but I can certainly see it being implemented.
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Post by spinifex on May 23, 2021 8:40:22 GMT 10
I've heard there are now people with compliance credentials, in plain clothes, roaming around shops and asking to see peoples QR login on their phone. First time you don't show a valid login for the location one is at one gets a warning. After that they get a big fine. So ... this sort of stuff is happening already.
Oh ... and they fine the shop owner too. Which means shops may start putting staff at entrances to make sure people are signing in.
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Post by frostbite on May 23, 2021 12:58:09 GMT 10
I noticed on my Service NSW app a feature that allows you to scan another person's digital licence to determine if it is genuine. I imagine it would be easy to have this feature scan covid vaccine online passports to determine if they are current or valid. Which would make it difficult to have a false vaccine passport. Unless you know a dodgy doctor or hacker.
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Post by captain on May 23, 2021 20:35:43 GMT 10
This is getting very reminiscent of several “authoritarian” countries in 20th century Europe where you had to show your paperwork on demand - with secret service people travelling around in full length trench coats demanding papers. And the people being ruled by fear. Plus, the media being very cautious in what they said.
Very reminiscent. Can anyone see the parallels?
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Post by Beno on May 23, 2021 21:02:32 GMT 10
This is getting very reminiscent of several “authoritarian” countries in 20th century Europe where you had to show your paperwork on demand - with secret service people travelling around in full length trench coats demanding papers. And the people being ruled by fear. Plus, the media being very cautious in what they said. Very reminiscent. Can anyone see the parallels? Too right. We are going hammer and tongs down that path. Vicco takes the cake again in that regard with their vicstapo covid officers. All for what? we are an island nation safe from covid and the only issue is imports from overseas bringing it here. Tell me why it is so important to open up to the world again? I’m living the dream…Property, livestock, heaps of work, growing super, kids doing well at school, travel in country. It’s the top 5 that want their cheap professional labour back so they can again avoid their social responsibility to this country by paying fair wages with 1st world conditions. If they had it their way we’d all be deliveroo drivers and gig workers. Time to turn the screws.
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Post by lonewolf on May 23, 2021 22:30:20 GMT 10
this is all very much like stasi tactics, except the excuse is a health and wellbeing mandate due to a concocted coronavirus that has a 98% survival rate or thereabouts.
People dont understand but we are becoming a nation of dobbers who do the work of the.gov for an ego trip.
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Post by captain on May 24, 2021 4:30:49 GMT 10
This is getting very reminiscent of several “authoritarian” countries in 20th century Europe where you had to show your paperwork on demand - with secret service people travelling around in full length trench coats demanding papers. And the people being ruled by fear. Plus, the media being very cautious in what they said. Very reminiscent. Can anyone see the parallels? Too right. We are going hammer and tongs down that path. Vicco takes the cake again in that regard with their vicstapo covid officers. All for what? we are an island nation safe from covid and the only issue is imports from overseas bringing it here. Tell me why it is so important to open up to the world again? I’m living the dream…Property, livestock, heaps of work, growing super, kids doing well at school, travel in country. It’s the top 5 that want their cheap professional labour back so they can again avoid their social responsibility to this country by paying fair wages with 1st world conditions. If they had it their way we’d all be deliveroo drivers and gig workers. Time to turn the screws. From your wording, I would say that you are referring to communism - whereas I was referring to authoritarian. These are 2 very different idealogies.
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Post by Beno on May 24, 2021 7:59:46 GMT 10
Too right. We are going hammer and tongs down that path. Vicco takes the cake again in that regard with their vicstapo covid officers. All for what? we are an island nation safe from covid and the only issue is imports from overseas bringing it here. Tell me why it is so important to open up to the world again? I’m living the dream…Property, livestock, heaps of work, growing super, kids doing well at school, travel in country. It’s the top 5 that want their cheap professional labour back so they can again avoid their social responsibility to this country by paying fair wages with 1st world conditions. If they had it their way we’d all be deliveroo drivers and gig workers. Time to turn the screws. From your wording, I would say that you are referring to communism - whereas I was referring to authoritarian. These are 2 very different idealogies. I was not referring to communism at all. If that what i said is considered communist then the elite have won.
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