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Post by Joey on Nov 7, 2021 11:53:25 GMT 10
Has anyone done some solid research on storing water bottles in cars for a sort of vehicle kit? Living in the north of the country, our summer days are usually in the high 30's and low 40's, add on top of that the convection heat generated inside a car sitting in the sun. From previous readings, there was a bit said about storing of water bottles in cars that the chemicals in the plastic bottles may leech into the water when left in a hot car?
Any ideas on this?
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Post by tactile on Nov 7, 2021 12:27:02 GMT 10
What sort of volume are you thinking of storing? Some info here that might be useful.
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Post by Joey on Nov 7, 2021 13:24:08 GMT 10
Maybe just a 5/10L jug from coles and if not that then a few 600ml bottles. It would be just a car emergency kit/GHB type setup
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Post by tactile on Nov 7, 2021 13:34:31 GMT 10
I'd chuck a 5 or 10l supermarket blader box in the car and change it out every few months in the real hot part of the year. Or even just change out the water in the bladder? Wonder how hot your car gets, is it left in the sun a lot?
Would be interesting to measure the temperature of the water to see how hot it actually gets...
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Post by Joey on Nov 7, 2021 14:21:49 GMT 10
Full sun sadly as no carport over the southerly facing driveway so gets full sun all day every day. Just tested the temp inside the canopy of my ute, 54deg ambient and 59 on the inside roof for an idea of the temps
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Post by Tri-Polar on Nov 7, 2021 15:26:19 GMT 10
Insulation, or even sunshades for windscreens to wrap around the containers.
Water bladders are good too, can lay in the foot well and still be wrapped in insulation.
Also a handy tip, always keep your washer bottle (for your windscreen squirters) full of water, But do not add any additives like the other numpties on the road. Good source of emergency water. A sawyer mini or lifestraw in the car wouldnt go astray.
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Post by Joey on Nov 7, 2021 16:39:15 GMT 10
Bars bugs all the way
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Post by Beno on Nov 7, 2021 17:07:49 GMT 10
I can taste plastic in the water so i assume it’s plastic juice and not doing me any good. but it’s water. The water bladders deteriorate quickly in the heat and the liner decomposes to form flakes of plastic the size of glitter. When i worked up north we used steel water carrier's bolted under the ute. They’d also flavour up but at least it was organic.
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Post by tomatoes on Nov 7, 2021 17:20:13 GMT 10
I have a couple of stainless steel bottles that I leave in the car, just changing the water occasionally (rarely).
If I’m travelling far I add other bottles but put them in an esky/esky bag and add an ice brick. At the hottest time of year I just swap the ice brick out each morning. It’s a bit of a nuisance but if any of us have ever used the water on a hot day it’s very nice to have it chilled.
We also have the habit of each taking a bottle or two (stainless steel) of water with us when we go anywhere.
I also have a sawyer mini filter.
I like single walled wide mouth bottles because you can boil water in them right over a flame, but I also like good quality double walled bottles because they really do keep the water quite cool. Both are stainless steel. With any of them if the water goes in clean and it isn’t sipped from it stays good for a long time. We never use water bottles for any other drink so that helps.
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Post by lost on Nov 7, 2021 20:18:14 GMT 10
I was going to say the same as tomatoes, i keep a few single walled stainless steel water bottles in my car for emergencies. swap them out every few weeks. You can get stainless steel jerry cans that would be a good idea for large amounts, i remember doing a search not long ago and they were expensive but probably worth it, think about 70-80 bucks.
Yeah here is the website and way off the price mark, they are $140
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Post by tactile on Nov 11, 2021 13:03:18 GMT 10
Something else I've thought is relevant to this thread...a lot of first aid stuff is temperature sensitive - medicines etc. Does anyone do anything to try and protect these items from high temps when stored in their car?
I wonder if a small thermos would do the trick?
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Post by norseman on Nov 11, 2021 13:28:30 GMT 10
Something else I've thought is relevant to this thread...a lot of first aid stuff is temperature sensitive - medicines etc. Does anyone do anything to try and protect these items from high temps when stored in their car car?
I wonder if a small thermos would do the trick?
Yes mate but pack it in something like this and you'll never have a problem! Costs all of $12 for a 5ltr mini esky!
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Post by tactile on Nov 11, 2021 15:55:01 GMT 10
Thanks Norseman but I was thinking of something a bit smaller...but maybe that's the go and keep all your temp sensitive stuff in it - water etc.
Just out of interest...at what temp does ammo cook off (!)
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Post by blueshoes on Nov 12, 2021 13:06:04 GMT 10
I have been keeping a glass bottle in the car (filled up with boiling water then lid on to keep bacteria out) - it would sit in the sun and would be steaming hot (enough to make tea!) when i'd get in the car at the end of the day, but it was glass so all good then broke most of the glass bottles, because life happens. Current water bottle that lives in the car is stainless steel, but it's double walled so i don't fill it up from the jug or it would take forever to cool down Good idea on the thermos tactile - that should keep first aid kit stuff cooler so it doesn't get wrecked from summer car temps (bandaids should be fine, but dettol or panadol probably shouldn't get too hot...) I'm going to pinch that idea for perishable food actually, been wondering if fish pouches or something could go in the car emergency food stash but it wouldn't cope with the random summer heat
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Post by tomatoes on Nov 12, 2021 14:11:58 GMT 10
I use a couple of insulated zip up bags for any car stores - eg a few cans of soup, coffee, etc in one along with utensils, and first aid with other random stuff on the other. I always have a couple of empty back packs there too. In summer I can lay one of those silver windshield things (about $4 from Kmart) over the top for extra insulation.
The bags are better insulation and stronger than a supermarket grocery fridge bag but prob not as good as an esky. I don’t have room for an esky permanently though.
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Post by Beno on Nov 12, 2021 17:22:07 GMT 10
I can see a Dr Karl experiment coming on. How about putting a thermometer in the thermos, insulated water bottle or whatever and leaving it in a hot car? Once baking hot, open thermos and check the temp of the thermometer and see how hot it gets.
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Post by tactile on Nov 13, 2021 8:50:19 GMT 10
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Post by bushdoc2 on Nov 13, 2021 17:28:34 GMT 10
1. If chocolate melts, it's probably too hot to store meds long term. 2. see article link below. Meds stored at extremes of temps lost 10% or more potency after a month. Some were still useable, but not as good as fresh. In EMT chopper work, we used to chuck out some meds monthy, some every 3 months, and others only if expired. The monthly/3-monthly ones were the kind you won't be using or getting your hands on, such as suxamethonium, rocuronium or oxytocin. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0735675707005967Can purchase the full article as a pdf for $35 Esky is good, thermos ditto. Store some meds in thermos, then put it inside the esky full of bandages etc.
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Post by lost on Nov 14, 2021 21:43:53 GMT 10
I can see a Dr Karl experiment coming on. How about putting a thermometer in the thermos, insulated water bottle or whatever and leaving it in a hot car? Once baking hot, open thermos and check the temp of the thermometer and see how hot it gets. My thermos instructions tell me not to leave it in direct heat like sunlight or close to heat sources. So best probably under the seat or behind the seat covered up.
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Post by drjenner on Nov 20, 2021 12:37:53 GMT 10
Had a large 5 gal jug I kept in the car for emergencies that was advertised that it wouldn't leak....well it did, all over my get home bag. Thankfully had all the stuff in the GHB wrapped in a black trash bag inside the GHB. Ugh.
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