frostbite
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Post by frostbite on Jun 20, 2022 16:31:12 GMT 10
The grubbyment can collect all this info, but it's just data storage unless they have a spare human to act on it.
Which they don't, or we wouldn't have any crime.
Case in point: all their surveillance and data gathering and they still had no idea that Brenton Tarrant was going to commit a terrorist attack in Christchurch.
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Post by ausprep130 on Jun 20, 2022 20:28:17 GMT 10
In Australia 'Big Brother' data collection is in its infancy. There are cameras monitoring traffic, underground car parks, shopping centres etc. They are typically manned by a number of staff. The footage is recorded and archived. Some of the bigger businesses have facial recognition such as casinos to identify banned patrons, or chains stores to identify shoplifters but so far as I am aware law enforcement are not privy to that data until the business provides it as evidence to prosecute a shoplifter or when police request it during an investigation.
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Post by bug on Jun 21, 2022 8:56:17 GMT 10
Correct. It's just one of many reasons never to visit the casino.
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 21, 2022 9:32:08 GMT 10
A interesting fact that you may also not be aware of.
There are numerous monitor systems, usually along major highways, looking for radio activity.
I found this out after having gone for a NRMI scan that I had to carry a note from the hospital for 3 days with me, stating that I was mildly radio active in case I got stopped. And when I checked using my Geiger counter, you all have one right ? indeed I was mildly radio active. It faded away after a few days.
If there's one thing I cant stand, its intolerance.
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Post by blueshoes on Jun 22, 2022 9:36:48 GMT 10
Note I have not completely de-googled my phone, doing so is really difficult. The google appstore remains on my phone because it is needed for me to access ordinary apps that I have paid for such as offline topo maps, comms stuff, ballistic calculators among other things. Just keeping it real. Lots of really good stuff in that post, milspec, thankyou. I had missed one or two that i'm now working on. As for the appstore and paid apps, would you be able to get them through Aurora Store using your own credentials, on a lineageOS or grapheneOS phone? It's not foolproof but running a de-googled android dramatically cuts down the amount of background information they can collect day to day. We have a paper street directory now and the kids are all learning how to use it. OpenStreetMaps is a lot better than it used to be, and as people add to it, it gets better. the OSMAnd+ app includes navigation and topographic maps... Also, before I forget, did you all see the thing about Bunnings and Kmart using facial recognition now? Choice magazine did an expose on it, which the ABC picked up, and then did a follow up piece about it talking to an activist and a former Human Rights commissioner.
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Post by milspec on Jun 22, 2022 22:52:04 GMT 10
Note I have not completely de-googled my phone, doing so is really difficult. The google appstore remains on my phone because it is needed for me to access ordinary apps that I have paid for such as offline topo maps, comms stuff, ballistic calculators among other things. Just keeping it real. Lots of really good stuff in that post, milspec , thankyou. I had missed one or two that i'm now working on. As for the appstore and paid apps, would you be able to get them through Aurora Store using your own credentials, on a lineageOS or grapheneOS phone? It's not foolproof but running a de-googled android dramatically cuts down the amount of background information they can collect day to day. We have a paper street directory now and the kids are all learning how to use it. OpenStreetMaps is a lot better than it used to be, and as people add to it, it gets better. the OSMAnd+ app includes navigation and topographic maps... Also, before I forget, did you all see the thing about Bunnings and Kmart using facial recognition now? Choice magazine did an expose on it, which the ABC picked up, and then did a follow up piece about it talking to an activist and a former Human Rights commissioner. Hi blueshoes, I think a pixel phone with grapheneOS is a great way to go but I havent done it yet. "The hated one" yt channel goes into it though. I have only used Fdroid as my alt appstore. Yeah the Bunnings thing sucks. I'm sure others will follow suit on the basis of that phrase I'm really begining to detest ... aka for your safety & security.
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Post by bug on Jun 23, 2022 13:45:25 GMT 10
Facial recognition is a great reason to wear a mask. You look like a typical covid sheep too, so you wont stand out.
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Post by milspec on Jun 26, 2022 8:15:11 GMT 10
Facial recognition is a great reason to wear a mask. You look like a typical covid sheep too, so you wont stand out. Maybe I should set up a stall next to the sausage fest selling "dont spy on me" masks. Walking around bunnings with that on would quite likely result in people stopping you to say where can I get one 😁
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Post by rastus on Aug 20, 2022 10:03:30 GMT 10
When it comes to digital security moving forward, remember you can't move backwards. Those databases have been growing well over 20 years and everything you did online is stored somewhere.
*press F to regret past browsing*
Meanwhile, somewhere in Canberra...
Officer A: "Hey, did you notice he never browsed any pRon site for more than 2 minutes?" Officer B: "That explains why he is single"
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Post by milspec on May 10, 2023 7:24:14 GMT 10
Just an update in relation to this topic. I did go ahead and buy a google pixel phone and then re flashed it with the Graphene Operating system to "de-google" it. It wasn't particularly difficult to do, I just followed a youtube guide. Whats nice is that Graphene lets you install & run google services to get apps set up but those google services do not operate with priviliged access so they can be sandboxed, disabled or uninstalled - Nice. Fwiw the reason for using a pixel device is related to its robust security architecture which wipes the device to protect your encrypted data in the event that someone is trying to hack into your phone.
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Post by malewithatail on May 10, 2023 8:24:05 GMT 10
My solution to data hacking on my phone is to not have any data worth hacking. A phone list, ho hum, if some miscreant wants to listen to my music, go right ahead, most of it is pre 1930 anyway, so of no interest to the drug infused rappers of today. Ive disabled the camera, and turned off wi fi, Bluetooth etc, so go ahead and hack away.
As for AI, all you need to do to screw it up is to do completely the opposite to what it was expecting you to do. It will crash as it cant handle something out of left field. A bit like confusing your misses by interpreting her instructions wrongly !! Hi hi !!
When disaster strikes, the time to prepare has gone.
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Post by Stealth on May 10, 2023 10:34:37 GMT 10
Hate to break it to you MWT, but disabling things like the camera and bluetooth doesn't mean they can't be used. It can even be turned on within the system and have everything SAY that it's turned off. There's plenty of instructions floating around online on how to get into mobiles and their accessories, you don't even have to go to the dark holes of the internet to find them. Ie. Don't assume that turning something off means that it's entirely off. Even if it looks like and says that it's turned off.
Your solution of not having anything of value data-wise is a good one. You can use other low-tech solutions like putting a piece of black tape over camera lenses, although that won't solve any spooky listening through your microphone. But the very best solution is to simply not use smart phones at all and try to not discuss sensitive information over the phone. Is that realistic? In most cases, no. But to be honest the most likely source of nefarious intent towards everyday folk like us isn't the "big bad gov", it's people who want to drain your life savings through your access to online banking etc. or through identity theft. So someone listening through your mike and watching through your camera is far less likely than someone installing a data logger through a dodgy app or link that you clicked on without realising that it was a data fishing scam.
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Post by malewithatail on May 10, 2023 11:02:01 GMT 10
When I said disabled the camera, I meant disabled it, completely, unplugged, not connected, cant possibly work under any circumstances, but if I need it, its just a matter of plugging it back in to the board.
The Microphone is another issue, but, as mine usually has numerous pieces of metal stuck to it (the magnet attracts filings etc from the shop), even I have to speak up quite loudly to a caller as its not as sensitive any more, certainly not to room conversations, and yes, Ive called it and tried listening in from another phone and its sensitivity is pathetic. I'm not sure if the speaker can be used as a mike, but even if it could, speakers don't make good mikes.
There are a heap of videos on the net of scammer paybacks, have a look at how to defeat these low life's at their own game, and screw them up as well.
From watching these scammers, it is not possible to 'accidentally' get caught up in these schemes, you must be actively participating in them to be fleeced. My way of dealing with them is to just ask them to hold as someone is at the door, and leave them for 5 mins, come back and if they are still there, apologize and say you will be with them soon. Eventually they get fed up and hang up, and it would seem your number gets put on some sort of do not call database, as after I did this a few times, the calls magically stopped.
Never let someone or something that threatens you get within ‘arms length’ of your position.
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Post by frostbite on May 10, 2023 20:04:39 GMT 10
I have a burner phone. It doesn’t connect to the internet.
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Post by milspec on May 11, 2023 6:55:37 GMT 10
I have a burner phone. It doesn’t connect to the internet. Is that your only phone?
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Post by tactile on May 11, 2023 9:34:55 GMT 10
I have a burner phone. It doesn’t connect to the internet. The SIM card connects to the cell tower tho...who controls the SIM card? Look it up.
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Post by malewithatail on May 11, 2023 9:54:53 GMT 10
Cameras everywhere, data collection every time you use the plastic card, phones listening in at all times, we've gotcha ! You cant escape, except that phones don't work out here inside and very spotty coverage outside. Gotcha Mr Government spy's.
The problem isn't a lack of money, food, water or land..The problem is that you've given control of these things to a group of greedy psychopaths who care more about maintaining their own power than helping mankind....
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Post by frostbite on May 11, 2023 10:00:43 GMT 10
I have a burner phone. It doesn’t connect to the internet. Is that your only phone? Yep, my only phone. It does text and calls only. I often leave it at home, just to confuse the watchers. And to annoy Mrs Frostbite, who can’t get hold of me.
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Post by Stealth on May 11, 2023 10:02:27 GMT 10
Yeah unfortunately no matter how much we want to be disconnected there's always a small amount of risk. SIMs can give you away, as can the IMEI of your phone. But the reality is that the type of people who're going to track you as an individual have to have reason to do so. You'd have to be a BadGuy™ for folks to be interested in tracking you at that kind of level. But just like most things these days instructions on how to search for your phone via IMEI are online (I found it in about 5 seconds of googlefu) so it's freely available for people to learn and use now.
BUT it'd be pretty rare I would think that someone would intentionally look up how to track a phone by IMEI etc. to work out how to follow someone. Stalkers come to mind as the primary offenders that aren't gov types. Maybe business contacts that have been ripped off or something. Again, not good guy behaviour heh. But yeah. Any kind of connection at all puts us at risk as a point of contact to be found when we don't want to be. Solution 1 is "Don't be a d!ck to have people do the mental gymnastics to justify tracking you" and solution 2 is "Don't be connected at all".
We can't exist without phones in this day and age without disconnecting from the world entirely but it's worth being aware that having one is a contact point regardless of how disconnected it is from services. Obviously not carrying a phone around you reduces someone's ability to track your movements but ultimately the fact that it exists, turns on, and puts out a signal of any sort, gives a hit on 'the map'. You turned it on to set it up? PING. You turned it off? Sweet. You're gonna turn it on to use it right? PING. PING (the call took a bit) PING. You turned it off again? Good good. But you need to make a call a week later so you turn it on again... PING. PING. Turn it off again! Quick! You turn it on for 20 seconds to check the battery level and then turn it off again straight away. Still a PING.
There is no real disconnect. There are only delays between hits. Same thing with laptops that connect to the internet or have a sim card in them. I'm not saying we shouldn't use these devices. It's just worth being aware that even the smallest bit of information is sent out when you just turn a device on. I would hope all of us aren't people that the trilby gang don't see need to follow because we're ultimately very boring people. But that's no reason to not be aware of dodgy hackers, criminals etc. and how they can use a google search to figure out where someone is.
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Post by malewithatail on May 11, 2023 10:49:10 GMT 10
Ah comrade, we are watching everyone, all the time, you cant escape.....(George Orwell, 1984).
They have told us ahead of time exactly what they are going to do, so when it happens they can say "we told you and you didn't complain, whats the issue now ?"
Your hopes, dreams, aspirations, well being, and freedom do not matter. You do not matter. You never did.
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