arkane
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Post by arkane on Apr 6, 2015 11:38:31 GMT 10
Aussie-scout Sorry I beg to differ! When we get invaded we will be lucky to get any advance notice! The enemy will have boots on the ground within hours of is starting! There will NOT be months to train civilians up or manufacture the guns needed If you are lucky you might have a few days to prepare at most And for most they will be lucky to have a few hours to prepare
No we will need to fight with what we got not with what we can get in a month or two!
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Post by Aussie_Scout on Apr 6, 2015 12:12:40 GMT 10
Aussie-scout Sorry I beg to differ! When we get invaded we will be lucky to get any advance notice! The enemy will have boots on the ground within hours of is starting! There will NOT be months to train civilians up or manufacture the guns needed If you are lucky you might have a few days to prepare at most And for most they will be lucky to have a few hours to prepare No we will need to fight with what we got not with what we can get in a month or two! Yep and if we have no time to prepare ( as in having the regular military give basic / rushed minimal training to civillian guerilla fighters / militia ) ....I also said many will die , lessons will be learned and passed on and tactics changed that goes for whether they have recieved a speedy crash course in basic training from the military prior to invasion or not ...no different really to the irregular fighters / milita / guerilla fighters etc from any war that has ever had to face a modern , better armed and equipped numerically superior enemy force . Regardless of whether there is time or not to give basic training etc , it still doesnt change the fact there are even right now almost 800,000 legal gun owners owning estimated 2 - 3 million firearms ... Im sure im not the only one but without even having to panic buy , I have currently a few thousand rounds in the safe for my rifles ( One of which is stamped suitable for 223 / 5.56 and the other stamped suitable for 308 / 7.62 both able to use civillian and or military ammunition ) . Regardless those of us who learn and adapt quickly will live on and teach others for as long as they can anyway ...and those who don't learn and adapt will die alot sooner though someone else can always take up their rifle when they die and join the fight to .. and so it will continue . People Can either give up and roll out the red carpet or resist and do what you can , its up to the individual as in all reality and practicality nobody and nothing can make the choice for them .
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arkane
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Post by arkane on Apr 6, 2015 12:52:20 GMT 10
In my experience most city hunters have little ammo on hand but most survivalists if they have firearms usually have hundreds if not thousands of rounds stored! But again a great many survivalists will run and hide in the bush until it is all over!
Me if we are invaded I intend to walk on the bodies of mine enemies all the way to hell! I would prefer it be a long road!
I know I am an old fat fxck but I can shoot and shoot well I will leave the running jumping stuff to those fit and fabulous youngsters I will just quietly position myself to drop a few at range and maybe overwatch the youngsters I can build a firing position and fill in a range card
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Post by frostbite on Apr 6, 2015 14:31:59 GMT 10
How about we have a realistic look at this.
The Aus army have approx. 30,000 fulltime troops and 17,000 reservists. That's 47,000 men and women under arms, all who have passed basic training and joined one of the best, person for person, fighting forces on this planet. That's not just my opinion, but the opinion of many of the other armies who have ever fought with us or against us.
Now can anyone here who actually knows something about military tactics and procedures explain to me how an enemy could land enough men, material and supplies to defeat 47,000 well trained, well equipped, and bloody determined aussie troops? And how they could resupply this force? And how they could do it so secretly that none of the intelligence assets we or our allies have get even a sniff of what's about to happen?
I know nobody here can explain this, because it can't happen. The accepted application of force to defeat a defending force is 3 to 1. You cannot mobilise, equip and transport over 100,000 enemy troops without lots of planning, signals, movements of men and supplies. It just can't happen. Anybody who thinks it can is naïve in the extreme.
Sorry to burst anyone's fantasy, but a foreign invasion on a large enough scale to threaten the stability of this country will never happen without prior knowledge.
And for those that want to join the fight, when was the last time you practiced the drills that might see you live through your first contact? You know, live fire RTR, break contact, flanking and ambush drills etc etc?
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Post by shinester on Apr 6, 2015 15:18:35 GMT 10
Whilst all 47,000 troops are trained to fight, only 1/3 are front line troops and logistical support are very important elements, so a figure of 50,000 fighting troops invading might be more applicable [so long as they're followed by their own support troops!], you also don't need all of those troops to form a beachhead for landing more. Having said that your notion is right on, rather impossible to move that number of troops without some warning, at least a few weeks notice of a potential issue.
... and then there's resistance, with 800,000 Firearms users in this country right now. Yes, untrained in anything other than shooting, perhaps 1/3 of them are old buggers, but squad movement, use of terrain, hit and run and so on is something that can be practiced and trained in a few weeks, well at least infantryman level or delaying for time, which our large area allows. With enough guys with enough knowledge and experience such as SAS/Commandos/Retired military many who already trained militia around the world I would be very positive about their input to said militia. I also can't help but think that we're still full of a population that would be really pissed off more than enough to fight and be a REALLY big problem for anyone trying that on for size. To give you a gauge, a mostly untrained Finnish rifle club stopped a Russian advance, mostly due to superior shooting skills.
Of course all of this is kind of inconsequential when we have military alliances with NZ, who are closer than anyone else and also have an excellent military reputation, England and the largest military on the planet, the US who with one air-carrier group can hold air-superiority and blockade/take out logistical support for any invasion fleet. They have 7. Oh and the UN, you think the world would be ok with such aggression? Yes if things all went to sh%t it's a possibility, but I think domestic issues would be more of the focus in such cases.
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