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Post by Stealth on Jun 14, 2022 16:12:01 GMT 10
And don't forget some cash, because when there's no power there's also no EFTPOS or ATM Good pick up. They've since added Tasmania, South Australia, and Victoria to those lists. Being on the list doesn't necessarily mean that there will definitely be power outages. The notifications are generated to give facilities the ability to tender for additional reserve (ie. any power providers that have reserve can put in a tender to sell it off to them) but having the request out there in the first place gives us prior warning that there could be service interruptions. If no one puts submission in for those tenders because they don't have the reserves, that's when we should be alert. Apparently QLD avoided having outages yesterday due to this process but it's worth noting that there's only so much held in reserve nation wide. So if you're a QLDer you might be first in the firing line for potential outages, but it seems that most of the Eastern board aren't free and clear.
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Post by bug on Jun 14, 2022 17:09:32 GMT 10
Unless I'm reading it wrong, that looks like lack of reserve, not lack of supply. Effectively says that if the largest generator fails, Eg: Loy Yang or Eraring, that there is not enough capacity with other generators to cover it. This will not lead to blackouts unless the failure at the largest generator actually occurs.
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Post by Stealth on Jun 14, 2022 18:09:01 GMT 10
Fair call, I've used the term 'reserves' somewhat liberally there.
In electricity networks, the operating reserve is the generating capacity available to the system operator within a short interval of time to meet demand in case a generator goes down or there is another disruption to the supply. Most power systems are designed so that, under normal conditions, the operating reserve is always at least the capacity of the largest supplier plus a fraction of the peak load. (Lifted that from wiki, it explains it much better than I could lol).
So when I use the term 'reserves' what I really mean is external systems (such as SA's diesel generators) that can spool up to fill the gap. In light of that with no reserves putting their hand up to fill the gap, that's where the potential power outages come into play.
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Post by grumble on Jun 14, 2022 19:36:46 GMT 10
And don't forget some cash, because when there's no power there's also no EFTPOS or ATM There's also no sales systems so most business will simply close till the power comes back on especially places like servos , super markets and the rest maybe the local brothel will still be open being all romantic with candles and stuff
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Post by bug on Jun 14, 2022 20:20:48 GMT 10
Fair call, I've used the term 'reserves' somewhat liberally there. In electricity networks, the operating reserve is the generating capacity available to the system operator within a short interval of time to meet demand in case a generator goes down or there is another disruption to the supply. Most power systems are designed so that, under normal conditions, the operating reserve is always at least the capacity of the largest supplier plus a fraction of the peak load. (Lifted that from wiki, it explains it much better than I could lol). So when I use the term 'reserves' what I really mean is external systems (such as SA's diesel generators) that can spool up to fill the gap. In light of that with no reserves putting their hand up to fill the gap, that's where the potential power outages come into play. If Angaston is firing up, there's a problem...
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Post by Stealth on Jun 15, 2022 7:45:17 GMT 10
If Angaston is firing up, there's a problem...
There's a problem
I'm trying to find the article from yesterday where it said that they were responding to this week's shortage (that article is from a couple of weeks ago) but I definitely saw one that said that SA's diesels were responding. It's just another piece in the puzzle I think. Definitely worth people being prepared for the cold. We went out this morning and it was could enough that our magpie mate took his brekky and scooted real fast. Normally he sits and sings to us for a while but today he just noped right out to get back to his warm hiding hole lol. Having alternate sources of warmth are a priority today!
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Post by frostbite on Jun 15, 2022 9:15:14 GMT 10
This is where multiple girlfriends come in handy A blonde water bottle on each side makes for a toasty Frostbite
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Post by Stealth on Jun 15, 2022 12:15:25 GMT 10
I'd argue that men tend to run higher thermostats so you'd be better off with multiple boyfriends 🤣. I'm not fussy in times of need lmao.
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Post by spatial on Jun 15, 2022 12:52:10 GMT 10
If Angaston is firing up, there's a problem...
There's a problem
I'm trying to find the article from yesterday where it said that they were responding to this week's shortage (that article is from a couple of weeks ago) but I definitely saw one that said that SA's diesels were responding. It's just another piece in the puzzle I think. Definitely worth people being prepared for the cold. We went out this morning and it was could enough that our magpie mate took his brekky and scooted real fast. Normally he sits and sings to us for a while but today he just noped right out to get back to his warm hiding hole lol. Having alternate sources of warmth are a priority today! The fake news that I read multiple times daily at ZeroHedge had an article on Sydney power outage that has links to Aus articles in the post. www.zerohedge.com/political/1000s-sydney-homes-plunged-darkness-aussie-price-cap-policy-sparks-energy-shortage
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Post by Stealth on Jun 15, 2022 18:51:12 GMT 10
Zerohedge didn't push the envelope on that one. Several MSM sources reported the same thing on the same day.
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Post by iceage on Jun 15, 2022 23:23:43 GMT 10
hahahaha... This is the quality of politicians these days.
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 16, 2022 11:02:44 GMT 10
Get off the grid people, NOW. Its only going to get worse as profits fall, generation will be taken off line for 'maintenance'.
If there is enough interest, I will try and prepare a guide for the group giving details on designing your own system.
If it happens at all, it must be possible.
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Post by spatial on Jun 16, 2022 16:12:52 GMT 10
About 10years back Spain went all green energy and basically got everyone to put in solar panels. The power companies started going broke as one of the big costs is in the transmission lines to customers. They were not receiving enough income to cover the cost of the transmission lines. In NSW the rebate for putting energy put back in the system has almost gone to nothing. One has to feed the system with free electrical power. Solar panels in an urban environment cost more than what they are worth. I am thinking of putting up solar with an inverter unit that allows for use of solar after a power outage and no batteries need to be installed. www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/solar-blackout-inverter-mb1494/
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 16, 2022 17:17:03 GMT 10
The difficulty is matching the solar output to your load without battery's or some form of energy storage, such as the grid. If these Taiwanese dudes have cracked it, good on em.
Solar panels have a finite amount of energy they can deliver in sun etc, and to get enough power to say start a fridge, u will need enough panels to cover the starting current, which is up to 10 X the running current for a typical induction motor. Then, when the load is up and running, the solar panel voltage will go up, along with the current going down(due to the internal resistance of the cells and the fact u are using 1/10 the power). Thats the issue with using a battery less system. It can be done, but on a scale to suit a house, its difficult. Also, no energy storage means no power after dark, when the grid system is likely to fail. In such a case, a better solution to just supplying your house with power during an outage is a fossil fueled generator, preferably running of LPG. Its not hard to do and we have a 8.5 Kva Honda that can run from either petrol or LP gas, which I converted for almost no cost to LP gas. Its hard to do a small system without some form of energy storage, and battery's are here to stay for a while. Super capacitors etc are in the pipeline,but not yet ready for the mass market. And stand alone systems dont need the poles, transformers and wires, so there an efficiency gain already. If it aint broke,don't fix it, if it doesn't fit force it, if it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.
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Post by spatial on Jun 16, 2022 22:20:34 GMT 10
The difficulty is matching the solar output to your load without battery's or some form of energy storage, such as the grid. If these Taiwanese dudes have cracked it, good on em.
Solar panels have a finite amount of energy they can deliver in sun etc, and to get enough power to say start a fridge, u will need enough panels to cover the starting current, which is up to 10 X the running current for a typical induction motor. Then, when the load is up and running, the solar panel voltage will go up, along with the current going down(due to the internal resistance of the cells and the fact u are using 1/10 the power). Thats the issue with using a battery less system. It can be done, but on a scale to suit a house, its difficult. Also, no energy storage means no power after dark, when the grid system is likely to fail. In such a case, a better solution to just supplying your house with power during an outage is a fossil fueled generator, preferably running of LPG. Its not hard to do and we have a 8.5 Kva Honda that can run from either petrol or LP gas, which I converted for almost no cost to LP gas. Its hard to do a small system without some form of energy storage, and battery's are here to stay for a while. Super capacitors etc are in the pipeline,but not yet ready for the mass market. And stand alone systems dont need the poles, transformers and wires, so there an efficiency gain already. If it aint broke,don't fix it, if it doesn't fit force it, if it breaks, it needed replacing anyway. Prob best to get a generator, costco has some specials on. After internet, phones go down and the grocery stores, power won't be so critical
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