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Post by bug on Oct 23, 2022 19:35:52 GMT 10
Already done so, no tracing our grocery purchases anymore via the trail a card leaves. Easier to budget as well. Who controls the food supply controls the people. Watch those reward card schemes too. Ties all your purchases together and makes em trackable, even when using cash. Pollies/media will want someone to blame when shelves become empty and preppers are the obvious choice... (even though our preps are done well before any crisis). Someone will need to be sacrificed to the angry mob and it won't be those responsible. It's interesting that this didn't happen during medical apartheid. The main focus was toilet paper and there was no mention of those who already have it, just focus on those trying to buy multiple packs of it and occasionally fighting over it.
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Post by Stealth on Oct 24, 2022 9:04:51 GMT 10
I don't now about anyone else, but I certainly wasn't mentioning that I had plenty of loo paper when the great papering happened! I brought a few rolls into work for folks who weren't able to get any (or were perilously low) and the joke went around that I was a bog roll baron 🤣. But I just said that I happened to buy a second pack by accident the fortnight before and because I buy for a large family my order amount was huge as a result.
But I definitely was down-playing the amount of stock I had on hand because it's a short step from gratitude for a gift of supply to attitude that you're a hoarder. Prepping and hoarding are totally different, but people who aren't prepared will react negatively to those who are because it's an implied judgment of their lack of preparedness. People like that will often go on the aggro stance rather than just be grateful for a gift given with no expectation of return, those people see it as an attack on them as a person.
Bit dramatic for the scenario we experienced, but worthwhile remembering if things really DO go to custard. Be kind whenever able, be generous when possible, but at all times be cautious because we can't control how others will respond in stressful situations. Especially if they feel cornered or desperate.
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Post by dadbod on Oct 24, 2022 10:25:36 GMT 10
rewards cards provide commercial insights for the company so they can accurately target marketing and buying patterns whilst promoting loyalty.
I can see how that raises the hairs on peoples necks, but I dont see it being used to track individuals for any other purpise than making money. its just too many independent systems for no real benefit to link it to someones id and personal information. I dont see them mining data with any accuracy, as people buy bulk for lots of reasons (work, sporting clubs etc.) I also dont see how they would know whats in your inventory, and what you have used. The cost of escalating and putting the labour to this would be massive. surely a government big enough to do this is not interested in a family's supply of stuff.
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Post by ausprep130 on Oct 24, 2022 10:57:56 GMT 10
Loyalty/rewards cards could potentially influence insurance
eg: Supermarket rewards card used for alcohol purchases and the same company offers car insurance could potentially increase your premium without you even knowing.
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 24, 2022 11:01:26 GMT 10
Like I said before, have them in a false name with an alternate e mail not in your name as well.
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Post by rastus on Oct 24, 2022 18:07:25 GMT 10
Bit dramatic for the scenario we experienced, but worthwhile remembering if things really DO go to custard. Be kind whenever able, be generous when possible, but at all times be cautious because we can't control how others will respond in stressful situations. Especially if they feel cornered or desperate. Disaster psychology is scary. In the good times, people are intrinsically capitalistic and value freedom. When the SHTF those same people instantly become a communist mob looking for kulaks to burn. Case in point is a small town near me, years ago it got razed by bushfire. Almost everything destroyed, people lost their lives. One property owner had a bushfire sprinkler system installed and it saved their home. What did you think the surviving townsfolk did? A) Realise the value in installing bushfire sprinklers to cope with future fires. B) Become enraged at the unscathed property owner and drive them out of town. If you answered B) then you are correct.
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Post by bug on Oct 27, 2022 10:29:51 GMT 10
Bit dramatic for the scenario we experienced, but worthwhile remembering if things really DO go to custard. Be kind whenever able, be generous when possible, but at all times be cautious because we can't control how others will respond in stressful situations. Especially if they feel cornered or desperate. Disaster psychology is scary. In the good times, people are intrinsically capitalistic and value freedom. When the SHTF those same people instantly become a communist mob looking for kulaks to burn. Case in point is a small town near me, years ago it got razed by bushfire. Almost everything destroyed, people lost their lives. One property owner had a bushfire sprinkler system installed and it saved their home. What did you think the surviving townsfolk did? A) Realise the value in installing bushfire sprinklers to cope with future fires. B) Become enraged at the unscathed property owner and drive them out of town. If you answered B) then you are correct. Where did this happen? First I've heard of it.
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Post by bug on Oct 27, 2022 10:33:30 GMT 10
Loyalty/rewards cards could potentially influence insurance eg: Supermarket rewards card used for alcohol purchases and the same company offers car insurance could potentially increase your premium without you even knowing. Cigarettes would be a big one here. Easy to say you were buying alcohol for the local footy club. But cigarettes are usually personal use only. If you were a health insurance company about to pay out on lung cancer treatment, you'd immediately check what the person put on their initial application for insurance (smoker vs non/smoker) and potentially use it to deny a claim. Same for a suspiciously lit fire. "we see you bought a petrol jerry the same day as the fire. claim denied pending further investigation."
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Post by rastus on Oct 27, 2022 20:28:54 GMT 10
Disaster psychology is scary. In the good times, people are intrinsically capitalistic and value freedom. When the SHTF those same people instantly become a communist mob looking for kulaks to burn. Case in point is a small town near me, years ago it got razed by bushfire. Almost everything destroyed, people lost their lives. One property owner had a bushfire sprinkler system installed and it saved their home. What did you think the surviving townsfolk did? A) Realise the value in installing bushfire sprinklers to cope with future fires. B) Become enraged at the unscathed property owner and drive them out of town. If you answered B) then you are correct. Where did this happen? First I've heard of it. It was the 2009 Black Saturday Marysville/Kinglake fire complex. I read a couple of articles about this incident a few years ago but can't find it again now since search engines have been gutted. Have you noticed that searching for things these days says something like 1 of 10,000 pages, and then 3 or 4 pages on it just stops? That happens all the time now, regardless of what is searched for.
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Post by bug on Oct 28, 2022 16:57:39 GMT 10
Yeah fair enough. I can definitely see people acting that way. "oh poor me, my house that I made no fire preparations at all burnt down! But that prick down the road got off scott free with no damage at all. He shouldn't be given any feed for his stock or fences fixed..."
Still, a LOT of unsubstantiated bullshit around, including on this forum. So questions should generally be asked of it.
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 28, 2022 17:46:48 GMT 10
I cant understand why in our busfire prone environment, farmers and those on the land haven't made a basic provision for fire firefighting. A old box trailer, a IBC container, a pump, even the cheap Chinese 2 stroke is something, a length of 3/4 inch garden hose, and a few fittings. That can and has saved a house in previous times. Less than $500 is cheap insurance. Ive been in the RFS for over 50 years and seen just what a little preparation can do. You only have to keep things under control until the RFS gets there, its not rocket science people.
Perhaps if insurance companies made it compulsory to have roof sprinklers fitted, then something may happen.
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Post by bug on Oct 29, 2022 9:11:26 GMT 10
I once worked in a call centre for an electricity company. It is disturbing the lack of any basic preparedness people have. There were a few, very common themes.
- People in the city were far ruder and more demanding than those in rural areas. This was particularly evident from people of certain backgrounds. - People didn't care about the fact that people's houses were burning down as long as they could sit infront of their air conditioner. - That there are food coldstores with no generator backup was just astounding. - Electricity linesmen are unsung heroes at keeping the supply on, so that people can run their water pumps etc as long as possible. - There is a sense of entitlement that electricity be on 100% of the time, forever. I was repeatedly personally threatened over this (see point one.) - Know it alls who have done absolutely nothing to make the area safer for them and their neighbours are the first to scream when something goes wrong.
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Post by malewithatail on Oct 29, 2022 11:04:26 GMT 10
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