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Post by wolfstar on Aug 18, 2014 11:37:40 GMT 10
warning- this is pretty raw stuff. this man was recording the local ambos attending a fire of unknown cause, and thusly recorded his own death when an Israeli rocket targeted those ambulances
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Post by scubasteve on Aug 18, 2014 12:51:40 GMT 10
Wow ... they didn't even see it coming. Yet nothing will be done about these war crimes.
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 18, 2014 13:17:16 GMT 10
You can here a large bore firing, what's that? That's not missile impacts.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 18, 2014 13:46:38 GMT 10
If someone was firing upon you, you wouldn't try to defend yourself? Seriously?
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 18, 2014 14:57:37 GMT 10
Yes. But the fact that a rocket launcher or arty piece is present, and begins firing seconds after the missile impact, explains the target of the strike doesn't it?
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Post by thereth on Aug 18, 2014 14:58:38 GMT 10
thats disgusting, truly terrible, i showed mrs reth and she was in tears. I dont give a shit about what country your from, or religion you follow, no civvy deserves that
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Post by scubasteve on Aug 18, 2014 15:06:13 GMT 10
I found some more footage of the same event.
WARNING! VERY GRAPHICAL!
Both videos below seem to each have the same beginning, but different footage after 3:15min mark.
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 18, 2014 15:07:20 GMT 10
It's Hamas' fault for actively operating close to dense civilian populations. But it's working for them, public opinion mostly backs Palestine and by default, Hamas. And it's Israel's fault for not being more conscious of that tactic, resulting in civilian casualties.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 18, 2014 15:17:14 GMT 10
Well considering gaza was already a concentration camp before hamas was even founded.... Do your homework from not just pro Israel sites mate. I'm sure Germany had all their followers believing anyone from Poland deserved to be attacked too. Heaven help if they tried to idk, defend themselves.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 18, 2014 15:19:19 GMT 10
It's Hamas' fault for actively operating close to dense civilian populations. Um considering ALL of Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth.... Where are they supposed to go to try to fight back?
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 18, 2014 15:29:18 GMT 10
You're obviously proterrorism, so I'm not going to bother having a rational discussion. Enjoy your opinion, I hope it doesn't spread to acceptance of the growing domestic terrorism threat.
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Post by thereth on Aug 18, 2014 15:33:57 GMT 10
It's Hamas' fault for actively operating close to dense civilian populations. But it's working for them, public opinion mostly backs Palestine and by default, Hamas. And it's Israel's fault for not being more conscious of that tactic, resulting in civilian casualties. I dont think either side can lay all the blame at the other, I only feel sorry for the non combatants on both sides. As you said templar, Hamas operates in dense population centres and Israel is quite content to fire on them regardless. I am not a bleeding heart liberal by any stretch of the imagination but this is beyond fooking pointless
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 18, 2014 15:44:40 GMT 10
That's why I mentioned both of them, neither side is free from blame.
But the following, yes ripped from wiki but the quote is referenced, is pretty self explanatory. Hamas Charter, 1988. "The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"
The people of Palestine went on to elect Hamas.
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 18, 2014 16:00:27 GMT 10
you think im pro terroroism because i dont believe a country should be stuffed into an open air prison essentially? then that they might retaliate? seriously? have you seen what happens in israel? they all damn well line up on a hill and cheer and party watching the bombing of Gaza. research for yourself just how densely the entirety of Gaza is, and over half of the population are elderly and children. im most certainly not pro-terrorism as so so quaintly put it, but im certainly pro human rights.
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 18, 2014 16:12:10 GMT 10
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 18, 2014 16:18:04 GMT 10
you do realise the orange areas are HIGH POPULATION and REFUGEE areas dont you? the white is all still residential neighbourhoods.
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Post by Frank on Aug 18, 2014 16:46:41 GMT 10
People, Please keep the discussion civilised without the name calling. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Play nice Thank you
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Post by scubasteve on Aug 18, 2014 16:54:08 GMT 10
I find Russel Brand's points interesting on the situation:
And follow up
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Post by Big Ted on Aug 19, 2014 0:25:52 GMT 10
Do you really find the Opinion of a Junky Interesting?
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Post by scubasteve on Aug 19, 2014 0:37:46 GMT 10
Yes I find some of the points he raised interesting especially the typical tactics of the main stream media coverage.
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