shinester
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Post by shinester on Mar 24, 2015 7:48:46 GMT 10
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Post by graynomad on Mar 24, 2015 21:28:32 GMT 10
Nothing new under the sun I suppose.
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Post by shinester on Mar 24, 2015 23:25:10 GMT 10
Yeah, I think it's interesting to note the difference the idea that no law being around might make. Most people aren't like this, it's just 'some' are, just waiting for a chance to be able to get away with things without fear of intervention or being caught. Perhaps they are the opportunists of today who might not give you back your wallet if you drop it. Of course in smaller communities, it wouldn't take long till like the first settlers in Australia a community policing force would spring up. It's perhaps always been that way.
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 25, 2015 7:17:10 GMT 10
I've been wondering how quickly those who have had some service experience (military, police etc) would start to lead others and would others look up to them for leadership? I mean after things have settled somewhat and you are in a smaller community. What about our members here, how would you go about it? Would you be more likely to show leadership, or support leadership, or wait for leadership?
I would be more likely to support the leadership, maybe offering suggestions etc.
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Post by graynomad on Mar 25, 2015 8:41:26 GMT 10
I think by nature I'm more of a 2IC, I'm normally happy to hang back and let somebody else take charge and be their lieutenant. So I guess that puts me in the "support leadership" demographic.
But it depends on the situation and I've not been confronted with a situation of the type we are talking about, I certainly have stepped up on occasion in far less serious circumstance.
So my gut feeling is that I would hang back for a short time and see if a strong personality took charge, and if nobody did maybe I would.
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Mar 25, 2015 14:30:26 GMT 10
I think that WROL people would compromise their morals REALLY quickly. As an example, how many of us speed? For those that don't, what stops you from speeding? For most of us it's the fear of getting caught, and the associated penalties. People think "I'm safe, I'm a reasonable driver, I can step it up by 5-10ks and still be in control of the car."
I think that without law enforcement, we would start getting a bit casual, just a *little* bit more relaxed about which laws we obeyed (and we'd get very good at justifying why it wasn't a bad thing that we weren't following the law), then we'd just get a little MORE relaxed, then we'd see someone else further down the slippery slope than us and it'd all snowball from there.
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Mar 25, 2015 14:31:38 GMT 10
I've been wondering how quickly those who have had some service experience (military, police etc) would start to lead others and would others look up to them for leadership? I mean after things have settled somewhat and you are in a smaller community. What about our members here, how would you go about it? Would you be more likely to show leadership, or support leadership, or wait for leadership? I would be more likely to support the leadership, maybe offering suggestions etc. I'm with Graynomad in that I like being in a 2IC kind of role. I'd probably take on a leadership role if no-one else stepped up to the plate though, but I'd be quick to relinquish it if someone more suitable showed up.
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Post by arkane on Mar 25, 2015 17:18:49 GMT 10
I think that WROL people would compromise their morals REALLY quickly. As an example, how many of us speed? For those that don't, what stops you from speeding? For most of us it's the fear of getting caught, and the associated penalties. People think "I'm safe, I'm a reasonable driver, I can step it up by 5-10ks and still be in control of the car." I think that without law enforcement, we would start getting a bit casual, just a *little* bit more relaxed about which laws we obeyed (and we'd get very good at justifying why it wasn't a bad thing that we weren't following the law), then we'd just get a little MORE relaxed, then we'd see someone else further down the slippery slope than us and it'd all snowball from there. In a world without rule of law How do you break something that no longer exists its WROL! You can't break the law! The deeds to your land mean ZIP! if someone shoots another dead he may be a murderer but he has not committed a crime! If it is yours keep it secure, if you can't it wont be yours for long!
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Post by Peter on Mar 25, 2015 17:45:20 GMT 10
I would lead.
My background is in management (I take a very hands-on approach) and people seem to follow me quite readily.
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shinester
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Post by shinester on Mar 26, 2015 5:09:21 GMT 10
Arkane: Murder someone or steal then you've broken common law, which is ancient and predates Judicial prudence as we know it today might work for a time, though you will soon find a mob of locals wanting to string you up. Things like speeding fines and the myriad of frankly nanny laws would of course be ignored. The police often talk about the law of broken windows, if you have enough of them, people descend into animals. I've got a little more faith in people, historically we've always organized against those who would go against the community, that is common law. The timing for that to happen might be months. Of course anyone grabbing power in the vacuum would bring their own 'law' so it wouldn't last very long. The old ways of people shunning those who disrespected the community and the inability to be anonymous would very quickly end most issues I feel.
In terms of leadership, those who are capable and want to lead the least are perhaps the best leaders. Power corrupts. I'd much rather be an adviser myself, leadership changes, advisers keep things on track.
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