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Post by milspec on Jan 25, 2021 12:30:48 GMT 10
We forum mods & admin have had a bit of a chat about the events in the US with respect to social media being shut down along with similar prospects for forums where they are considered to be promoting hate speech or violence.
As recently expressed in some of the forum discussions here, we mods see genuine value in robust discussions which are conducted in a civil, respectful manner and supported by facts. We'd much prefer that type of meaningful discussion over 'politically correct' discussion where people are afraid to voice their opinions.
To that end we'd like to reiterate that we expect forum members to be respectful and factual in their posts. I always think back to my days in the ADF where we were told to imagine how our words or actions would look as headlines in the news the next day ... with our name and picture attached. If you dont think your post would make good headlines you probably ought to moderate it yourself.
We will step in and moderate posts where needed but we would appreciate it if you folks could also be mindful of your posts during this period of heightened scrutiny and heightened sensitivity.
Cheers, Mods.
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Post by norseman on Jan 25, 2021 13:09:58 GMT 10
Can I still do my boy goat jokes?
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 25, 2021 15:31:11 GMT 10
186,000 miles per second, its not only a good idea, its the LAW !
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Post by grumble on Jan 25, 2021 21:11:41 GMT 10
for many years i have been self censoring due to the fact that i am a free thinker and that makes me dangerous to the program
“This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper.”
― T.S. Eliot
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 0:06:22 GMT 10
I try to be as factful as i can, but sometimes the lines between both can be blurred, hence i try to read inbetween them as best i can.
Since we are quoting.
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Post by milspec on Jan 26, 2021 5:40:58 GMT 10
186,000 miles per second, its not only a good idea, its the LAW ! Clearly some speech is coded in law, sadly being respectful and factual in ones public dialogue isn't the law ... or common practise in some areas these days. Hence why we wanted to remind people that on this forum we want to uphold some important moral values in addition to the principles specified in law. IMHO Since we at times lament the state of the world on forums like this, it is on us to lead by example to address the shortcomings we observe day to day.
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Post by norseman on Jan 26, 2021 6:43:57 GMT 10
186,000 miles per second, its not only a good idea, its the LAW ! 75% of the LAW relevant to this issue is pure idiocy created by stupid politicians! That is not a strong argument!
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Post by bug on Jan 26, 2021 9:56:10 GMT 10
Political correctness is hate speech.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jan 26, 2021 11:01:17 GMT 10
We forum mods & admin have had a bit of a chat about the events in the US with respect to social media being shut down along with similar prospects for forums where they are considered to be promoting hate speech or violence. As recently expressed in some of the forum discussions here, we mods see genuine value in robust discussions which are conducted in a civil, respectful manner and supported by facts. We'd much prefer that type of meaningful discussion over 'politically correct' discussion where people are afraid to voice their opinions. To that end we'd like to reiterate that we expect forum members to be respectful and factual in their posts. I always think back to my days in the ADF where we were told to imagine how our words or actions would look as headlines in the news the next day ... with our name and picture attached. If you dont think your post would make good headlines you probably ought to moderate it yourself. We will step in and moderate posts where needed but we would appreciate it if you folks could also be mindful of your posts during this period of heightened scrutiny and heightened sensitivity. Cheers, Mods. I cannot add any more to this, than to keep reminding everyone to be careful! A number of sites have been taken down, many have received warnings, even threads to "Firearms Section" are being closed to public viewing ( members only can access ). While we are primarily a Preparedness site, we do discuss a number of topics non preparedness related. As long as we keep things lawful, respectful, and can keep differences to each other in a civil manner, we should be ok. This is the new world, "era", whatever you want to call it, that we now live in.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 26, 2021 15:03:00 GMT 10
To add to the websites being taken down theme (I'm not a mod, but I'm also cautious as heck).
Things like changing the spelling of certain 'key words' will not even slightly protect you from automatic watchlists. It's simple. Any word that you can think of to alter slightly to 'confuse the system', some dude/dudette programming said system is probably going to think of and add to their list too. It would be foolish to assume that putting a b where a v should be or something like that is going to protect us from flagging things.
Any website that's a potential breeding ground for unsavory sorts (and we're all smart enough to work out what type of person that might be, and hopefully avoid them like the plague!) is probably going to automatically be considered as worth monitoring, whether they have people like that currently active on them or not. You'd have to assume that prepper forums would be in that category.
If you have to make it obvious enough for other folk to get it EVERYONE will get it. The simple solution is as milspec says. If you don't want your face and picture attached to what you say, don't say it. I always assume that there's HEAPS smarter people who'll read what I'm typing than me and don't say anything that I wouldn't personally feel comfortable with saying to my boss's face, or my kid's teachers. If you're ok with telegraphing your thoughts and opinions in the real world then sweet. But if you cringe a little at the thought of your nearest and dearest knowing exactly what you think, or worry that they might think less of you for it, perhaps don't say it in the first place.
That's the reality of privacy online. There is none.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 26, 2021 16:50:59 GMT 10
"But if you cringe a little at the thought of your nearest and dearest knowing exactly what you think, or worry that they might think less of you for it, perhaps don't say it in the first place." I'm not scared if my nearest and dearest knows about my Vietnamese backpacker fetish, I even bought her a blonde wig. I thought she could wear it, but I seem to get much better results when I wear it:
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Post by Stealth on Jan 27, 2021 7:07:30 GMT 10
"But if you cringe a little at the thought of your nearest and dearest knowing exactly what you think, or worry that they might think less of you for it, perhaps don't say it in the first place." I'm not scared if my nearest and dearest knows about my Vietnamese backpacker fetish, I even bought her a blonde wig. I thought she could wear it, but I seem to get much better results when I wear it: This is giving me Fabio vibes and I won't say I'm mad about it. If you were to say "I'm Faaaaaabio... the most beautiful man in the cosmos" I might just start thinking there's something to this wig business hahahaha!
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Post by frostbite on Jan 27, 2021 7:37:27 GMT 10
I'd rather say 'I don't believe it's not butter'. Butt what I actually said as that photo was taken was 'I will chop wood until I'm Thor'. And then the mrs dragged me into the cabin
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Post by bug on Jan 27, 2021 8:06:31 GMT 10
...meanwhile the ads on this site continue to get weirder.
Previously it was the fake Dick Smith ads, now it's a picture of a mosquito biting someone, with no writing or anything else. WTF.
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Post by norseman on Jan 27, 2021 15:40:20 GMT 10
Believe me folks the threat is very real! Two weeks ago I informed several mates who post here that I had been formally banned from YouTube! Having been a prolific Anti-Corruption poster for many years I was finally banned!
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Post by doglover on Jan 27, 2021 21:50:26 GMT 10
I normally don’t buy the slippery slope line that conspiracy theorists throw out there so often. I’m ok with some rules and don’t believe that some common sense guidelines will lead to total censorship. It seems the world is shifting now into an overly political correctness phase right now. I can’t say I am on board with all the ideas that are being presented but things like not being able to fan the flames of baseless lies or rally others to hate a different group isn’t a terrible thing. The only worries I have about all of this is who gets to decide what is acceptable to say and how far will it go . Only time will tell. My quote for here is from an old lovable cartoon, ‘If you can’t say something nice then don’t say anything at all’
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Post by dirtdiva on Jan 28, 2021 0:59:27 GMT 10
The US Constitution guarantees us the right to freedom of speech, the right to express one’s ideas and opinions without censorship, restraint, or fear of retribution. With that freedom comes implied responsibility.
The world right now is saturated with unnecessarily rude and sarcastic responses to the opinions of others.
What we know, or think we know, is ever-changing, sometimes hour to hour, and daily for sure. What we think we know today may be proven wrong tomorrow.
No one person has all the answers. It truly takes a village, but a village who can listen and thoughtfully respond. Exercise your freedom of speech, but do so being mindful of others. Sticks and stones may break my bones – but words can truly hurt me.
Maybe for us all the question should not be can we say it but should we say it.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 28, 2021 7:36:44 GMT 10
I normally don’t buy the slippery slope line that conspiracy theorists throw out there so often. I’m ok with some rules and don’t believe that some common sense guidelines will lead to total censorship. It seems the world is shifting now into an overly political correctness phase right now. I can’t say I am on board with all the ideas that are being presented but things like not being able to fan the flames of baseless lies or rally others to hate a different group isn’t a terrible thing. The only worries I have about all of this is who gets to decide what is acceptable to say and how far will it go . Only time will tell. My quote for here is from an old lovable cartoon, ‘If you can’t say something nice then don’t say anything at all’ This. As I've said in the last week or so, I err towards keeping my mouth shut if I know that what I have to say will get people off-side. It's not my aim when I communicate to offend, irritate or annoy, and if that's the only response my comment is likely to get then I just don't say it. UNLESS the words/actions of the other person affect people who don't have the ability to defend themselves from that though process or behaviour. I guess if there's one abiding moral code that I hold dearest it's not standing by and accepting bullying or negativity towards a group or individual that can't stop that behaviour themselves out of being in a position of weakness. Do whatever you like, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. That goes for words and deeds. I do agree however that the PC parade goes too far at times. Sometimes you can't do a damn thing without offending someone. In that case you have to stand up for yourself because it's just getting ridiculous at times. Sometimes you DO have to close a door to someone. Thing is though, you can do it gently so they have the chance to get their face out of the way without slamming their head in it. Like dirtdiva says, there's an implied responsibility with freedom. We don't get nutin' fa free. People want their big boy panties? Cool. Hitch 'em up and wear 'em... In every circumstance. Not just the ones that suit you. You get more respect if you work to be a better person all the time and not just when it's easy.
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