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Post by captain on Dec 20, 2022 20:45:04 GMT 10
Hi all,
has anyone noticed that there is more aggression in the community now, and more signs of youth crime by what seems like gangs of uncontrollable youth.
Maybe there should be 2 distinct topics for this, one on aggression by itself, and another on the rise of youth crime - but to me, these may be linked and there just seems to be more cases of both, and then this may lead into a rise of vigilante style “protection groups”.
another factor to prepare for - and if so, better quickly prepare because it seems that a violent dystopian future may already be here.
thoughts?
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Post by SA Hunter on Dec 20, 2022 22:29:46 GMT 10
Just read the news about youth gangs in Alice Springs!!! We have issues here in our community too - I put it down to a breakdown in the family structure & family values - and it will only get worse! Small gangs of 5-19 youths, meeting up with 3-5 other groups, then running wild. Some steal because they are genuinely hungry, as there is no food at home, and no sober parental supervision ( their words ). And yes, in a shtf situation, roaming gangs will be a serious consideration.
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Post by norseman on Dec 21, 2022 4:00:57 GMT 10
Don't worry the Government will always be there to protect you, when seconds count they're only minutes away and the only thing that can stop them is Kryptonite!
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Post by Beno on Dec 21, 2022 6:37:17 GMT 10
I’ve noted a lot more aggression but not physical, more with the way people talk. It’s probably more assertiveness than aggression too.I think it is a possible side effect of the lockdowns but can’t be sure. People are getting sick of the BS around the woke and over represented minorities being plugged on social media and told that weird shit is normal.
I’m witnessing a whole generation of kids being destroyed by phones, social media and lack of physical activity. Learning outcomes appear to be ok but schools are highly feminised in the primary school years leading to negative outcomes for boys and probably the girls too when it comes time to choose a hetero partner who is not a hopeless POS later in life. That’s what makes me aggro.
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Post by norseman on Dec 21, 2022 6:45:24 GMT 10
I’ve noted a lot more aggression but not physical, more with the way people talk. It’s probably more assertiveness than aggression too.I think it is a possible side effect of the lockdowns but can’t be sure. People are getting sick of the BS around the woke and over represented minorities being plugged on social media and told that weird shit is normal. I’m witnessing a whole generation of kids being destroyed by phones, social media and lack of physical activity. Learning outcomes appear to be ok but schools are highly feminised in the primary school years leading to negative outcomes for boys and probably the girls too when it comes time to choose a hetero partner who is not a hopeless POS later in life. That’s what makes me aggro. WHAT HE SAID!
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 21, 2022 7:07:15 GMT 10
I’ve noted a lot more aggression but not physical, more with the way people talk. It’s probably more assertiveness than aggression too.I think it is a possible side effect of the lockdowns but can’t be sure. People are getting sick of the BS around the woke and over represented minorities being plugged on social media and told that weird shit is normal. I’m witnessing a whole generation of kids being destroyed by phones, social media and lack of physical activity. Learning outcomes appear to be ok but schools are highly feminised in the primary school years leading to negative outcomes for boys and probably the girls too when it comes time to choose a hetero partner who is not a hopeless POS later in life. That’s what makes me aggro. WHAT HE SAID! Add drugs into the mix, lack of suitable peers to learn from, lack of upright, honest Govt representatives and the stage is set for an explosion of youth aggression. The Govt solution.....more gun control !!
I told myself I should stop drinking, but I'm not going to listen to a drunk who talks to themselves.
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Post by spinifex on Dec 22, 2022 11:45:13 GMT 10
Its a case of Sacred Cow Syndrome. Kids today are untouchable and they know it.
Children are not sacred cows - it harms them in the long run to have them think that. Parents are not to blame for the actions of their children in most cases - public 'gangs' are but a tiny fraction of the huge raft of social problems that this generation of children is responsible for. There are PLENTY of good parents out there getting severely fu*ked over by their kids.
The Education Departments and the entire sector of the "Mental Health" Industry that is aimed at children need to stop making children completely unaccountable for their actions and the consequences thereof and be supportive of parents instead of undermining them and offering them completely useless advice promoting 'behaviour modification processes' that fail everywhere they have been tried.
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 22, 2022 15:29:30 GMT 10
"The Education Departments and the entire sector of the "Mental Health" Industry that is aimed at children need to stop making children completely unaccountable for their actions"
Solved all that for our 5 kids by homeschooling.
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Post by SA Hunter on Dec 23, 2022 9:20:38 GMT 10
Its a case of Sacred Cow Syndrome. Kids today are untouchable and they know it. Children are not sacred cows - it harms them in the long run to have them think that. Parents are not to blame for the actions of their children in most cases - public 'gangs' are but a tiny fraction of the huge raft of social problems that this generation of children is responsible for. There are PLENTY of good parents out there getting severely fu*ked over by their kids. The Education Departments and the entire sector of the "Mental Health" Industry that is aimed at children need to stop making children completely unaccountable for their actions and the consequences thereof and be supportive of parents instead of undermining them and offering them completely useless advice promoting 'behaviour modification processes' that fail everywhere they have been tried. I was in a training seminar a little while ago, and I quote word for word ( I even wrote it down as I was so shocked ) "when it comes to children, DO NOT CORRECT BAD BEHAVIOUR" I kid you not!!!
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Post by Beno on Dec 23, 2022 11:10:11 GMT 10
Its a case of Sacred Cow Syndrome. Kids today are untouchable and they know it. Children are not sacred cows - it harms them in the long run to have them think that. Parents are not to blame for the actions of their children in most cases - public 'gangs' are but a tiny fraction of the huge raft of social problems that this generation of children is responsible for. There are PLENTY of good parents out there getting severely fu*ked over by their kids. The Education Departments and the entire sector of the "Mental Health" Industry that is aimed at children need to stop making children completely unaccountable for their actions and the consequences thereof and be supportive of parents instead of undermining them and offering them completely useless advice promoting 'behaviour modification processes' that fail everywhere they have been tried. I was in a training seminar a little while ago, and I quote word for word ( I even wrote it down as I was so shocked ) "when it comes to children, DO NOT CORRECT BAD BEHAVIOUR" I kid you not!!! Context would help. what situation had the kids been exposed to to make that trainer say that?
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Post by spinifex on Dec 23, 2022 11:58:00 GMT 10
Its a case of Sacred Cow Syndrome. Kids today are untouchable and they know it. Children are not sacred cows - it harms them in the long run to have them think that. Parents are not to blame for the actions of their children in most cases - public 'gangs' are but a tiny fraction of the huge raft of social problems that this generation of children is responsible for. There are PLENTY of good parents out there getting severely fu*ked over by their kids. The Education Departments and the entire sector of the "Mental Health" Industry that is aimed at children need to stop making children completely unaccountable for their actions and the consequences thereof and be supportive of parents instead of undermining them and offering them completely useless advice promoting 'behaviour modification processes' that fail everywhere they have been tried. I was in a training seminar a little while ago, and I quote word for word ( I even wrote it down as I was so shocked ) "when it comes to children, DO NOT CORRECT BAD BEHAVIOUR" I kid you not!!! Yep. The people promoting this approach are going to be very, very sorry in the future they are basically baking social instability and dysfunction into our future.
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Post by dirtdiva on Dec 23, 2022 23:09:46 GMT 10
Must be a global occurrence! I have spent the last 6 months on jury duty in my county. Here you are called to serve for 6 months and during that time can be called in at any time to serve on a jury. So I have spent the last 6 months people watching from a very hard court house bench waiting for jury questioning, selection and trials to start and such. Some of the things I have seen have been truly troubling.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Dec 24, 2022 7:14:00 GMT 10
Must be a global occurrence! I have spent the last 6 months on jury duty in my county. Here you are called to serve for 6 months and during that time can be called in at any time to serve on a jury. So I have spent the last 6 months people watching from a very hard court house bench waiting for jury questioning, selection and trials to start and such. Some of the things I have seen have been truly troubling. Good book about this, available online. "Mostly Guilty" by Michael Challinger (QC). Quite an entertaining and informative holiday read.
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Post by tactile on Dec 24, 2022 7:50:11 GMT 10
Its a case of Sacred Cow Syndrome. Kids today are untouchable and they know it. While I'm no expert on raising children, I do have some nieces & nephews who were pretty ratty when growing up. They were pretty wild and did stuff I never even considered let alone doing when I was growing up! But they survived and settled down and most of them have kids of their own now and they are nuts just like their parents were!
I was thinking about it once - on why we seem to let kids get away with more these days. Does anyone here know anyone who was abused by adults when they were kids? Sexuality, mentally, physically or even verbally? Now I'm not going to let parents off the hook here but sometimes I wonder if subconsciously, as a society we have given children more autonomy and knowledge of their rights because of the (now) knowledge and guilt of what was happening to children in the past.
We cant kid ourselves - it was rife among so many areas of society - Religious, sporting, health, welfare - so many organisations/institutions were involved in this wholesale destruction of child innocence that I don't think most people have really got their head around it.
When something goes really bad in society it tends to get fixed like a pendulum effect - the fix to the problem usually goes way beyond what is needed to fix it until the pendulum swings back and hits centre to where it should be and then the whole process repeats again. Is the pendulum swinging away or back?
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Post by norseman on Dec 24, 2022 8:53:52 GMT 10
Its a case of Sacred Cow Syndrome. Kids today are untouchable and they know it. While I'm no expert on raising children, I do have some nieces & nephews who were pretty ratty when growing up. They were pretty wild and did stuff I never even considered let alone doing when I was growing up! But they survived and settled down and most of them have kids of their own now and they are nuts just like their parents were!
I was thinking about it once - on why we seem to let kids get away with more these days. Does anyone here know anyone who was abused by adults when they were kids? Sexuality, mentally, physically or even verbally? Now I'm not going to let parents off the hook here but sometimes I wonder if subconsciously, as a society we have given children more autonomy and knowledge of their rights because of the (now) knowledge and guilt of what was happening to children in the past.
We cant kid ourselves - it was rife among so many areas of society - Religious, sporting, health, welfare - so many organisations/institutions were involved in this wholesale destruction of child innocence that I don't think most people have really got their head around it.
When something goes really bad in society it tends to get fixed like a pendulum effect - the fix to the problem usually goes way beyond what is needed to fix it until the pendulum swings back and hits centre to where it should be and then the whole process repeats again. Is the pendulum swinging away or back?
Funny thing I'm not sure if others here are agreeable or maybe experienced the same but I mostly grew up in the roughest of the Western Suburbs of Sydney after being born and living in the shanty town style slums of Balmain. I've said it a million times over the years I actually think teenagers were worse back then pretty much a lot of kids graduated from school straight to crime and even serious crime back then if they weren't already involved in it. Prison was bad and Boys and Girls home visits were common, violence was so frequent it didn't even rate a mention mostly. Domestic violence was everywhere but not even the police took it too seriously, stuff like rape and sexual assault happened but a lot of young people didn't acknowledge or realise it was a thing. Some of the most violent adults back then were school teachers, drunken parents and yes, the old school cops were absolute masters. The only thing that kept most of us in check was understanding the basic principle of "Cause and Effect" or getting the fark out which I did at an early age.
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Post by tactile on Dec 24, 2022 11:30:22 GMT 10
I have friends and relatives that grew up in the inner city slums of Melbourne and the stories the old fellas told me (now long gone) from growing up there were just unbelievable...human deprivation on every level! This whole city ran on alcohol, I mean it still does but not the way it used to. The inner-city suburbs here that haven't been demolished you can still see that every block had at least one pub. Coffee fuels this town now...good old latte sippers! While alcohol still lubricates after hours networking and socialising, it doesn't drive the violence and degenerate lifestyles it once did.
Give me coffee's benefits over alcohol any day.
Actually there are a few studies showing the decline of violence in the west with the banning of leaded fuel so maybe that had something to do with it too.
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Post by rosebud on Dec 24, 2022 11:52:27 GMT 10
Its a case of Sacred Cow Syndrome. Kids today are untouchable and they know it. Children are not sacred cows - it harms them in the long run to have them think that. Parents are not to blame for the actions of their children in most cases - public 'gangs' are but a tiny fraction of the huge raft of social problems that this generation of children is responsible for. There are PLENTY of good parents out there getting severely fu*ked over by their kids. The Education Departments and the entire sector of the "Mental Health" Industry that is aimed at children need to stop making children completely unaccountable for their actions and the consequences thereof and be supportive of parents instead of undermining them and offering them completely useless advice promoting 'behaviour modification processes' that fail everywhere they have been tried. I was in a training seminar a little while ago, and I quote word for word ( I even wrote it down as I was so shocked ) "when it comes to children, DO NOT CORRECT BAD BEHAVIOUR" I kid you not!!! "Do not correct bad behaviour". Maybe they were referring to the old adage that a carrot works better than a stick. Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that bad behaviour needs to be corrected. The method is what makes a difference.
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Post by Stealth on Dec 24, 2022 13:08:30 GMT 10
The area that we've moved into is mostly cashed-up-bogansville (no insult, I love me a solid bogan. They're the most genuine people you'll come across!) and a week ago there was a couple of kids scooting around on a peewee motorbike. Two of them on one bike. Thongs, no helmet, on the roads like they belonged there. Maximum 14 years old. Legs were so long that young mate on the front had them stretched out in front of the front wheel just off the road to keep them up lmao. Mullets and all.
I was hiding a grin at the absurdity and hilarity of this clown car behaviour until the one on the front gave me this weird 'how 'bout it' wave/gesture thing. Instantly disgusted and pissed off. Who TF taught you that it's ok to behave like that to a woman who's just walking down the street minding her own damn business. Not to mention I'm aware that I look a bit younger than my age but I still definitely look like I'm in my 30s. I could have been the mum of one of those kids in this area's demographics.
I don't think he was being serious at all. I think it was more a 'look at all this, I got a bike and I'm king of the roads and bishes like that shiz and I'm supposed to care about bishes liking shiz aren't I?' kind of behaviour. As a parent of a kid that age myself I know how stupid and arrogant they can be because they haven't yet developed the ability to see their behaviour from the outside. Still very much babies.
I was more disgusted that someone or more likely several someones in those kid's inner circles have behaved that way in front of them in the past and indicated that that kind of behaviour is not only acceptable but entirely appropriate. Someone in this day and age is STILL teaching children that it's ok to be a d*uchecanoe to a random woman with absolutely no provocation whatsoever and it's practically a right. They're both lucky they didn't actually stop because they spray they would have copped would have chased them home to their mothers.
This is a general comment and not directed at anyone here but;
Is gang factor on the rise for youth? Absolutely. Are we doing anything in society to make it stop? Not a damn thing. Apart from whinging that the cops aren't doing enough. Get out in the community and do something about it. Don't whine that it's on the rise and then refuse to make a difference. It takes a village to raise a child and the over-riding attitude seems to be "I raised my kids, I'm done. The parents are to blame. It's not my job". It's ALL our jobs. It does my head in to see people moan about children out on the streets at night or causing havoc but they refuse to put their hands up to be a Scout Leader, or run an after school program to give kids something to do.
There will always be tear-aways. Some of it is abuse. Some of it is lack of education. Some of it is lack of facilities or functions. But some of it can be attributed to our older generations wiping their hands of their communities cubs. Bring back the multi-generational community. We need it. We're losing out on education and experience from our older generations and it's really sad to see. We NEED the gruff old grandfather type who'll shake a kid by the back of the neck (metaphorically of course!) and then teach them to respect themselves and each other with tough lessons curbed with care.
It wouldn't fix the whole problem and certainly not overnight. But it'd be something.
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Post by tactile on Dec 24, 2022 13:21:32 GMT 10
Problem is Stealth...in Boganville the grandfather and father probably aint around no more...
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 24, 2022 16:15:01 GMT 10
I did my stint as a scout leader in a extremely impoverished area, where I was told it was impossible to have a combined ethnic group. The Croats were fighting the Chinese, and likewise all the other ethnic groups. Made it work though and I have seen some of those kids in later life, most would be at least in their 40's now, and they have thanked me for making them work together. It is possible, but as you said, someone has to " put their hands up to be a Scout Leader, or run an after school program ".
I'm too old now, and the Net has taken over from any outdoor activities. I predict we will see an explosion of health issues due to lack of exercise and so on.
There is no answer, it cant be fixed, the whole lot has to be reset, and that's probably what we call the collapse of civilization.
Just have a look at the degradation and squaller in some American cities, the drugs, poverty, crime, people living under cardboard boxes on the streets, and so on. Perhaps its a good thing its all coming down.
So when is the "old enough to know better" supposed to kick in ?
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