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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 10, 2015 23:09:38 GMT 10
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Post by thereth on Mar 11, 2015 0:49:20 GMT 10
A very interesting article, I cant really find much fault (with my very very limited knowledge) with what he is saying, mind you if any country was going to invade it would be Indonesia and I jjust dont see it happening any time soon. They may be pissy about the idiot druggies and our pollies sticking their noses in, but being pissy is a far cry from war
Also I didnt realise that the F-35's require their fuel to be cooled and have special hangers..... thats a little peculiar
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Post by Joey on Mar 11, 2015 6:27:08 GMT 10
We have no defense people to put up a sustained fight. Last time I checked our entire defence force combined was only about 58,000 full timers (only 1/3 of that are front line combatants) Until the day we bring in conscription (good luck getting it passed the greens), we would be better off withdrawing and becoming a neutral nation like Switzerland did in WW2 and only fighting if our boarders are encroached for self defence.
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Post by Frank on Mar 11, 2015 8:59:14 GMT 10
Very interesting article, raises some good points. Thanks for posting it up Jay
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Post by graynomad on Mar 11, 2015 9:02:48 GMT 10
Are those numbers for real? A 2000k range for the F35, f me I require a 2000k range from my Landcruiser.
I know time flys but didn't we just get the Collins working, why new subs. Or did the Collins subs never work?
It seems to me that with such a huge country and not many people we should have forces that are capable of independant fighting a LONG way from anywhere.
And we should be building stuff, refining fuel, and growing food right here in Oz, not importing it. I suppose it's cheaper to import and none of us want to pay more, but the country shouldn't be hanging on a string that can be cut at any time. I guess if the country refuses to "prep" at least we can.
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 11, 2015 9:12:16 GMT 10
The ANZUS treaty was mentioned in the comments of the article! Thoughts all? I have always felt that USA would be too busy with their own issues to help us (especially under Obama), just as Uk during ww2 said that they were too busy with Europe to help us with the Japanese. I would love to see more spent on our defence budget, but where does the money come from when we as a nation complain about every extra cent we pay out? There seems to be more and more of these types of articles appearing in the news these days. When you read these articles does any one else feel the need to step up on your preps? Best case we are not invaded directly but food, oil etc will be rationed, worst case we will be invaded and will need to revert to guerrilla war fare, waged by the citizens! As for conscription it would most likely be brought in at the time of conflict but not prior.
As frostbite said there is also a trained pool of experienced people, and what about all you Aussies out there with your guns etc How many are there who do own weapons?
58,235 full-time active-duty personnel, 22,072 active reserves 22,166 standby reserves
+3,050,000 private guns owned in Australia (both legal and illegal) 15.01 firearms per 100 people
Just things I wonder about sometimes, as I don't know the ins and outs of Defence for Australia, but only that it concerns me greatly!
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Post by newcastleprepper on Mar 11, 2015 23:34:15 GMT 10
Wow, that's more in depth then I have ever thought about it, I do notice it does not mention how a northern country would travel through large stretches of tough Austrian terrain, I think that is a massive factor in the defence of aus. None the less this is still alarming even the numbers of troops we have to defend such a large space is well a fraction of what's needed. What happens to our last generation military equipment? We still have the Collins class submarines don't we
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Post by graynomad on Mar 11, 2015 23:37:53 GMT 10
I have no tactical training so am probably way off here, but I've always figured that Oz is too large to be defended by our small population using the "big army" approach.
I think the only chance we have is to go all "Red Dawn" on them, AKA guerilla fighting. All able-bodied persons should have at least some mil training and be armed, well armed, not pea shooters but at least semi-autos in 223/5.56 cal.
We can't do a US-style "gun behind every blade of grass" as there just aren't enough people, but we could at least put up a fight. At present most people could do absolutely nothing, even those with the skill are hamstrung by the weapons they are legally allowed to own. And like any prepping once you see the parachutes falling it's too late to learn this stuff.
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Post by newcastleprepper on Mar 11, 2015 23:43:42 GMT 10
A very interesting article, I cant really find much fault (with my very very limited knowledge) with what he is saying, mind you if any country was going to invade it would be Indonesia and I jjust dont see it happening any time soon. They may be pissy about the idiot druggies and our pollies sticking their noses in, but being pissy is a far cry from war Also I didnt realise that the F-35's require their fuel to be cooled and have special hangers..... thats a little peculiar I'm afraid politically they hate us we poked our noses in East Timor and to them that was there land and we had no right, with the military hardware they just bort off Russia and the more than 10-1 there troops out number ours don't kid yourself they could try there luck whenever, the only thing we have on them is allies and our troops are much better trained... The most alarming thing I took from this though is we have 3 days supply of fuel and how easily our major trade routes could be shut down.. Nothing runs without fuel, and it's a long way to march troops from 1 side of the country to the other not to mention the time it takes could mean the difference between winning and loosing
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Post by Peter on Mar 11, 2015 23:45:54 GMT 10
The only issue I have with arming and training "all able bodied" folks is that too many people can't be trusted.
This is vastly different from places like Switzerland which has strong border and immigration control.
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Post by Joey on Mar 12, 2015 5:55:20 GMT 10
I can't find it now, but I remember back to the time of Timor and the bombings, about an article saying that the indos are taught in schools that Australia is rightfully owner by Indonesia and was stolen by the British back in the day.
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Post by arkane on Mar 12, 2015 8:37:56 GMT 10
In all previous wars Australia had time (months) to Arm and train thousands of new soldiers! If the indos invade there will be NO TIME to train anybody!
We will need to fight with what we have right there and then! none of this conscription bull!
Can you be a guerrilla fighter do you have the kit? Do you have enough ammo for six months of combat? do you have rations for six months? Do you have any semblance of a feasible plan? tactics? comms?
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Post by graynomad on Mar 12, 2015 9:01:08 GMT 10
The only issue I have with arming and training "all able bodied" folks is that too many people can't be trusted. This is vastly different from places like Switzerland which has strong border and immigration control. Well of course I only meant we should arm people like me Yes you are right, every time I go into town I see many people I would not feel comfortable giving an AR to, but Switzerland and Israel seem to manage and they must have their fair share of idiots. They both have compulsary mil service I think, maybe that's the difference, if you get through that you have had the dickhead part of your brain removed and are considered competent to take your gun home.
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Post by newcastleprepper on Mar 12, 2015 9:22:31 GMT 10
Joey that's fooked at some point these kids taught this grow up at least 1generation believe there country has more right to aus then we do, sooner or later this generation will reach the into politics which could be interesting I'm 27 now and was around 12 at the time (my aunty was in aus aid and was in timour during the fighting, I remember taking a newspaper article with her in it to school for show and tell so I'd have to have been in primary school) so this won't be far off. Arkane yes this is true but as mentioned previously we have a high turn over rate in the army the 1st conscription will be from those already trained x army guys or x reserves. Frostbite look at world war 2, in the beginning the Germans were just in other country's so quick it took mere days to take whole counties. It was known at the time Germany had forces in the area but the switch from them being close and watching went to they are invading so fast no real defence could be mounted we have huge borders to patrol surrounded by masses of ocean, the fact is we can't stop an invasion of unarmed illegal immigrants what chance is there of detecting Indo invading with enough time to move enough forces to our borders.. Then there is the issues pointed out in the article about our new equipment on top of this.... Again all we have is better trained troops and a prick of a country to cross for Indo given they are used to lush rainforest not dry rocky desert in our advantage but both of these are not small factors and could decide who wins said imaginary war
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Post by Fractus on Mar 12, 2015 11:02:09 GMT 10
Google Japan's name for Australia. It is goshu. They have changed the kangi from five to another, but go shu originally means fifth island. We are owned by all our northern neighbours. We are like one of those islands that nth , Sth koreas and China lay claim to. They will fight each other first for the right to invade us. Seriously a dozen or so years ago around the Timor recalcitrant era, our defence minister said those famous last words. Australia will know well before an attack as the aggressor will have to build a maritime force large enough to get an army here. So we will see the build up. As Gray said I am not militarily trained in any way but I could load an army into a few dozen container ships and deliver them into melbournes docks with minimal warning to Australia. Multiply that with a few Garuda flights into capitals with several hundred light armed assault troops and all we have would be a few trainees from We could fly over our 300 Spartans from WA to hold them at the Westgate bridge until the Athenians arrived from our secret bases to save us. One jumbo load of troops could take us out and they could resupply from maccas, Coles woollies and cleavers.
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 12, 2015 15:27:48 GMT 10
And for those of you not 'in the know' , there are so many US Marines in the NT that adf units are being relocated to nth qld to make room for them. Those yanks are there for a reason How many are up there now? They started with 200 wasn't it and were going to be rotating in 2000? Has that figure increased?
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 12, 2015 15:38:58 GMT 10
This was an interesting statement!
"New bases can be set up across the country and the number of troops increased without limit over 25 years under the deal, senior US officials confirmed."
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Post by Fractus on Mar 12, 2015 15:39:17 GMT 10
Weren't we blessed with pig iron bob. . I was being a little flippant when I said we would know by the build up. You are right frostbite as even if we know we will probably do little for fear of upsetting our neighbours. Probably have a summit and enquiry. The enquiry will appoint Mr chamberlain to negotiate peace and how we will divide Australia to avoid war.
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Post by arkane on Mar 13, 2015 19:53:49 GMT 10
Our pollies are pussies they appease the beast now, they will appease the beast even when it is at the door! It will not be till it is way too late that our politicians will act! then they will do the wrong thing! as per normal!
At present our three great evils that assail us are Islam Money shisters and feminism!
Shisters will make us poor feminism will make us weak and Islam will make us dead!
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Post by Fractus on Mar 13, 2015 21:34:47 GMT 10
Pol lies around the world are definitely the problem. Even the problems we are witnessing with Islam seem to me to be political and groping for power. I am not seeing how feminism fits or make us weak. Although to be truthful I am not really sure what you mean by feminism.
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