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Post by frostbite on Dec 15, 2022 15:25:02 GMT 10
The recent shooting in Qld that claimed 6 lives, 2 of them police, was a dreadful event. I have close friends who are police, I sometimes train police in pistol shooting, and whilst some police can be overzealous a-holes, I believe the majority of them are decent people doing a difficult job.
That said, I'm concerned that recent media attention regarding the shooters being survivalists paints us all in a bad light, and if this vilification gains traction we may see our sub culture get more attention from the authorities. The existing 'good character' clause in firearm licencing laws could easily be used to deny any of us a firearms licence, without any need for further legislation.
So in my opinion that is further reason to be careful what we post online, both here and elsewhere. For instance, a throwaway line about guns made from Bunnings pipe or illegal storage of ammunition, or permitting unlicenced people to shoot on your property, could very well see you getting a visit from the boys and girls in blue. Good luck defending that in court.
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 15, 2022 17:17:57 GMT 10
"For instance, a throwaway line about guns made from Bunnings pipe or illegal storage of ammunition,"
I would never encourage illegal activity, but since when has thinking aloud about what may or may not be possible, been illegal ? Have we got to the point of the thought police already ? I will be mindful of comments being interpreted out of context.
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Post by tactile on Dec 15, 2022 17:55:58 GMT 10
I was wondering if someone was going to bring this up. I was a bit surprised at how easy it was to get police approval for a pistol licence in Qld when I was up there last...I'm betting it wont be so easy when I get back up there.
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 15, 2022 18:30:18 GMT 10
Apparently, in NSW, the law is being changed to allow for Primary Producers (Class C license), to apply for a permit to carry a pistol when on their properties due to the number of injury's from stock when handling them.
Any one have any clarification ?
I am still waiting patiently for the wisdom that supposidly comes with old age. Anyone else ?
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Post by Joey on Dec 15, 2022 19:15:39 GMT 10
I think there will be a blanket covered with anything online. Any comments made on social media etc will be taken into account when they do the "fit and proper person" background checks I assume, and the rulings will become more strict, especially when speaking out about government and other social issues.
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Post by tactile on Dec 15, 2022 20:20:17 GMT 10
Couple of first-class nutbags if the media reports are accurate.
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 16, 2022 7:03:04 GMT 10
My interpretation of the gun storage rules in NSW is that it is legal to have a completely separate ammunition locker, as long as the ammo is stored under lock and key, in an approved, secured environment.
It has to be stored in a separate locked box from the weapons, but can be in the same safe, with a separate key arrangement.
Its a matter of interpretation, but, a completely separate ammo store would appear to be legal, and needn't be store bought or commercial. Indeed, my first gun safe was homemade from 1/4 inch plate steel with 3 padlocks, keyed alike. It was inspected and approved many, many years ago, and is still legal. So it would seem OK to have a separate ammo store, and its a small step to several ammo stores, all stored in an approved way, scattered around.
That's what I meant by caching. Not just throwing some ammo behind the door of the shed, that's totally illegal and I would never encourage storage that way.
Multiple gun safes would also seem to be allowed.
As I have grown older, Ive learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.
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Post by Stealth on Dec 16, 2022 8:57:12 GMT 10
I was thinking along these very lines myself this morning. We haven't been talking about it, but we should.
There's a very good reason that I get fired up when I see people posting inflammatory comments like the sort old mate posted that have been reported in the news. I haven't seen any of his actual posts myself because this is one of the very few forums that I frequent. I get pretty angsty when I see people posting the kind of nutcase posts that he put up. Our community is already treated as a joke at best and a cesspit of insanity at worst. I think we're all pretty level headed and intelligent in here. We all go down rabbit holes that are weird and wonderful at times but the reality is that this forum at least is pretty sensible and non-problematic. Occasionally there's a post where something is said that might raise an eyebrow but certainly nothing to raise a phone about. And even that eyebrow is rarely lifted if I'm honest.
But if we see a pattern of thought process that's dangerous or threatening everyone should feel empowered to call it out. Or even (and this is going to be unpopular to some) calling it in. We all have the ability to call the urgent police line if we see something that makes us think that there's a direct threat to life. Much like someone that's suicidal, asking someone directly "are you planning to kill someone" helps to get a clear and direct answer. That person may respond with a 'No, I'm just pissed off". Then ok. Good to go. Maybe watch your language in the future champ, you're worrying people. If the answer is affirmative that should give you a clear conscience to make that phone call.
Either way that's a bloody long rant to say, if you see something, say something. And especially in here you should be saying something to a person that can moderate if you don't feel comfortable calling an individual out yourself. You could be the reason that someone is provided a mental heath assessment and given some assistance instead of getting themselves into such an imaginary lather that they murder people.
And vale, to those police officers. You should never show up to a place thinking you might find leads on a missing person who could be scared, sick, or unable to help themselves, and be murdered because you were trying to help. That's... So cruel and unfair it's unthinkable.
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 16, 2022 9:38:21 GMT 10
And vale, to those police officers. You should never show up to a place thinking you might find leads on a missing person who could be scared, sick, or unable to help themselves, and be murdered because you were trying to help. That's... So cruel and unfair it's unthinkable.
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Post by norseman on Dec 16, 2022 10:03:46 GMT 10
Luckily this forum is monitored 24/7 by various State Police and Federal Spooks, that's not speculation it's a known, hard fact as previously witnessed and experienced by some current members with much higher standing than me!
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Post by Stealth on Dec 16, 2022 15:25:50 GMT 10
While that's true, I assume you don't believe we should be relying on them (or the threat of their intervention) to maintain integrity and decent human behaviour. Having integrity means doing the right thing when no one is looking as well as when they are. I'd like to think that most everyone on this forum has a solid level of personal integrity and the desire to look out for each other. Even if only driven by the desire to keep the prepping community safe and valuable.
And honestly your standing is just as valuable as anyone else's. Your attitude about police officers rarely meshes with my own but you also provide a solid reminder every now and then that rose coloured glasses are a thing. The friends I have that are cops are all decent people just trying to do their jobs, but there ARE bad eggs out there and that's worth being reminded of occasionaly š.
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Post by frostbite on Dec 16, 2022 15:36:43 GMT 10
Stealth, Norseman is still upset that I ranked higher than him in the militant survivalist standing. He thinks ranting about cops will get him the Number 1 spot, but I've already told the alphabet boys what a good bloke he really is.
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Post by tactile on Dec 16, 2022 17:59:03 GMT 10
I'd like to think that most everyone on this forum has a solid level of personal integrity and the desire to look out for each other. Even if only driven by the desire to keep the prepping community safe and valuable. I think you're dreaming Stealth. Plenty of nut-bag stuff on here that no-one calls out.
As for cops - Every one of the people I know that has gone into the force has been fundamentally changed for the worse. It's like a form of mild, on-going PTSD. Imagine seeing the worst of humanity day-in, day out. I don't know why people do it but I'm glad they do. It's also why I give cops plenty of leeway for their behaviour. Others might not but I do. Nothing you could give me would make me want their job.
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Post by Stealth on Dec 16, 2022 18:14:47 GMT 10
I'd like to think that most everyone on this forum has a solid level of personal integrity and the desire to look out for each other. Even if only driven by the desire to keep the prepping community safe and valuable. I think you're dreaming Stealth. Plenty of nut-bag stuff on here that no-one calls out.
As for cops - Every one of the people I know that has gone into the force has been fundamentally changed for the worse. It's like a form of mild, on-going PTSD. Imagine seeing the worst of humanity day-in, day out. I don't know why people do it but I'm glad they do. It's also why I give cops plenty of leeway for their behaviour. Others might not but I do. Nothing you could give me would make me want their job.
Oh believe me, I agree with you 100000000%. There's absolutely nothing anyone could offer me to do that job! I'm eternally grateful that there's people who do, because you're walking into it knowing that it's going to be an absolute horror show and you're not coming out of it 'normal'. My mates would agree with that strongly. And I do agree that there's nutbag behaviour but I'm talking more "the only way out is to murder them all" type talk. I've only seen talk like that once here in the last... I don't know... 4-5 years? I went off my rocker about it then, and I'll do it again. If nothing else it'll give everyone a laugh haha.
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Post by norseman on Dec 17, 2022 4:26:39 GMT 10
Stealth, Norseman is still upset that I ranked higher than him in the militant survivalist standing. He thinks ranting about cops will get him the Number 1 spot, but I've already told the alphabet boys what a good bloke he really is. Your Number 1 Spot is safe mate, I'm too busy to be a Militant Survivalist these days, four little grand kids and more real work take up most of my time now. Funny how when you are thinking of gearing up to kick back the pace of life gets even more hectic. I really would like to indulge in some more nut jobbing around here, but as you can see my posting has dropped off considerably over the last few months, just too busy with stuff.
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Post by spinifex on Dec 17, 2022 9:02:25 GMT 10
Apparently, in NSW, the law is being changed to allow for Primary Producers (Class C license), to apply for a permit to carry a pistol when on their properties due to the number of injury's from stock when handling them. Any one have any clarification ? I am still waiting patiently for the wisdom that supposidly comes with old age. Anyone else ? That is the worst excuse for pistol carriage /use I've heard in a long time. I don't know any livestock producers that would: a) allow THAT many injuries to occur from livestock handling that it warrants carrying a pistol around. b) execute valuable stock for that reason c) prefer to use a pistol over a rifle for the purpose of destroying stock under any circumstances - including the destruction of burnt stock after bushfires. I've destroyed many hundreds of burnt sheep and seen many thousands more put down with a .22 rifle. (High capacity semi auto are very justifiable for this purpose) Cattle are best dispatched with a .44 carbine. Pistols are a much higher risk and much lower powered option for stock destruction and it makes no logical sense to use them.
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Post by malewithatail on Dec 17, 2022 9:51:06 GMT 10
As I suspected, another thought bubble from aimless, out of touch, bureaucrats, totally disconnected from the real world and only thinking about their retirement super packages.
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Post by Beno on Dec 18, 2022 8:44:28 GMT 10
āFrom afar, it seems unremarkable -- a dilapidated house on a wooded 40-hectare block. But the rural block at Tara, west of Brisbane, has been catapulted into the national consciousness after two police officers and a neighbour were gunned down at the scrubby property at Wieambilla on Monday. Sold off by company Washington Developments in the 1970s and 80s, there are countless numbers of these rural blocks ā with the majority having no power or water ā across the Western Downs. And while many people choose them for the affordability and lifestyle, there are concerns such subdivisions can lead to social dislocation and under-privilege.ālink
ā"But they also need to be visible in our society and that's a responsibility that we have as a whole, to make sure they are visible and to acknowledge the good things that they do contribute to the communities." here it is in raw form. Independent people away from all the bells and whistles getting stigmatised cause they arenāt all latte sippers although some are! Itās pretty diverse but most have a desire to be left the fark alone.
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Post by norseman on Dec 18, 2022 9:04:54 GMT 10
āFrom afar, it seems unremarkable -- a dilapidated house on a wooded 40-hectare block. But the rural block at Tara, west of Brisbane, has been catapulted into the national consciousness after two police officers and a neighbour were gunned down at the scrubby property at Wieambilla on Monday. Sold off by company Washington Developments in the 1970s and 80s, there are countless numbers of these rural blocks ā with the majority having no power or water ā across the Western Downs. And while many people choose them for the affordability and lifestyle, there are concerns such subdivisions can lead to social dislocation and under-privilege.ālink
ā"But they also need to be visible in our society and that's a responsibility that we have as a whole, to make sure they are visible and to acknowledge the good things that they do contribute to the communities." here it is in raw form. Independent people away from all the bells and whistles getting stigmatised cause they arenāt all latte sippers although some are! Itās pretty diverse but most have a desire to be left the fark alone. Beno You're bloody quick mate! I was coming to write about this and you're already on it! So the cops and their masters will be trying to fark with "blockies" just for being "blockies" who want nothing more than to live their lives the way they want to live their lives! What the fook is so wrong with that? They are not harming anyone so just leave the poor buggers alone you Aholes! This is just fugging sinister:- ā"But they also need to be visible in our society and that's a responsibility that we have as a whole, to make sure they are visible and to acknowledge the good things that they do contribute to the communities."
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Post by tactile on Dec 18, 2022 19:37:00 GMT 10
How about the other side?
"Mr Hallam said these types of blocksĀ in Queensland had been a constant source of complaints from councils and authorities over the past two decades, with concerns about overgrown lots, feral animalsĀ and unfinished dwellings." ...and now we can add shooting cops!
Damn all those "latte sippers" for complaining.
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