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Post by norseman on Mar 13, 2022 14:32:26 GMT 10
Does anyone envision Russia / Ukraine to be the opening event for WW3 ??
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Post by malewithatail on Mar 13, 2022 15:04:22 GMT 10
Probably not, but a step in the process. I'm expecting it to affect the economy more so than become WW3, just yet. Its going to be a slow slide into chaos, as fuel, food, housing and so on, becomes more expensive, or unobtainable. Look for a landmark overreaction by Govt, such as gun confiscation in Australia, to signify its started.
Luckily, or otherwise, Ive already done my military service, and are too old now anyway (and too crook as well !), to be of much use as cannon fodder in a world conflict, that we no doubt we will get ourselves involved in due to the globalist influence on our weak as p.ss Polifilths.
Prep and learn, how to make your own fuel from wood, have backup power and heating for your crew, have resources, knowledge, ammo, seeds, and so on on hand for when it does break down. They cant get us all, and besides, we are told there will be a Remanent left when he comes again. I suppose that's why I want to be around and survive this, to see all these evil people thrown into the lake of boiling sulfur.
Get your survival groups organized, get your families in safe locations, be ready to bug out if its necessary. We are at our bug out location now, and setting up gardens, power systems, accommodations for all members, dams (solar pumped water), communications networks (and showing the troops how to use the gear). Don't forget the backup arrangements, the "what ifs", have all vehicles got uhf, have u enough UHF radios for each member of your group to have one, as if there is an issue, can they can quickly call for backup. Obviously, there are so many threats, emp, cme, civil unrest, weather wars, food riots, war, that its just not possible to prepare for it all, but something is better than nothing, and besides, you may have thought about that threat and that's always a good start.
In combat, the enemy never really scared me, it was not knowing what was happening that was so unsettling. Hence my continual comments regarding communications and intel gathering.
Einstein once said that "Given a problem upon which his life depended to solve, and he had 1/2 hour he would spend the first 20 minutes thinking about it, the next 5 minutes arranging the solution, and the last 5 minutes actually doing it." Good advice for us all I think.
Final thought, there is a whole world of hurt just waiting to happen, and it will some day.
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Post by norseman on Mar 13, 2022 15:10:58 GMT 10
Probably not, but a step in the process. I'm expecting it to affect the economy more so than become WW3, just yet. Its going to be a slow slide into chaos, as fuel, food, housing and so on, becomes more expensive, or unobtainable. Look for a landmark overreaction by Govt, such as gun confiscation in Australia, to signify its started. Luckily, or otherwise, Ive already done my military service, and are too old now anyway (and too crook as well !), to be of much use as cannon fodder in a world conflict, that we no doubt we will get ourselves involved in due to the globalist influence on our weak as p.ss Polifilths. Prep and learn, how to make your own fuel from wood, have backup power and heating for your crew, have resources, knowledge, ammo, seeds, and so on on hand for when it does break down. They cant get us all, and besides, we are told there will be a Remanent left when he comes again. I suppose that's why I want to be around and survive this, to see all these evil people thrown into the lake of boiling sulfur. Get your survival groups organized, get your families in safe locations, be ready to bug out if its necessary. We are at our bug out location now, and setting up gardens, power systems, accommodations for all members, dams (solar pumped water), communications networks (and showing the troops how to use the gear). Don't forget the backup arrangements, the "what ifs", have all vehicles got uhf, have u enough UHF radios for each member of your group to have one, as if there is an issue, can they can quickly call for backup. Obviously, there are so many threats, emp, cme, civil unrest, weather wars, food riots, war, that its just not possible to prepare for it all, but something is better than nothing, and besides, you may have thought about that threat and that's always a good start. In combat, the enemy never really scared me, it was not knowing what was happening that was so unsettling. Hence my continual comments regarding communications and intel gathering. Einstein once said that "Given a problem upon which his life depended to solve, and he had 1/2 hour he would spend the first 20 minutes thinking about it, the next 5 minutes arranging the solution, and the last 5 minutes actually doing it." Good advice for us all I think. Final thought, there is a whole world of hurt just waiting to happen, and it will some day. Awesome post mate and some really good points there!
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Post by norseman on Mar 13, 2022 15:20:49 GMT 10
Probably not, but a step in the process. I'm expecting it to affect the economy more so than become WW3, just yet. Its going to be a slow slide into chaos, as fuel, food, housing and so on, becomes more expensive, or unobtainable. The Western Economic Sanctions have been absolutely eye watering and if they aren't enough to scare China off then I'm stuffed if I know what will!
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Post by spatial on Mar 13, 2022 15:34:48 GMT 10
There are a number of authors of various blogs and YT vids calling this . Canadian Prepper is one of the pundits. I tend to agree. It would take very little for things to collapse economically. Debit is sky-high and inflation is going bananas to the upside. Global food shortages are a given, food availability and prices skyrocketing. Many are talking about the next Arab spring as food becomes unobtainable. Western banks have loaned almost a trillion dollars to Russian industry, now they are not going to be paid back. Wont take much for the US to collapse into a civil war. China and Russia could send EMP nuke only need 4 to take Europe and US power grid and internet out. Then the collapse happens within weeks. What does Russia have to loose, been cut off internationally. My scenario is that Iran now in dire striates will send a nuke to Israel and then there will be a global nuclear exchange. Welcome to the beginning of the war of all wars.
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Post by Tim Horton on Mar 13, 2022 16:01:12 GMT 10
In combat, the enemy never really scared me, it was not knowing what was happening that was so unsettling. *** *** Yes... You knew anything that moved, or you thought moved in front of your muzzle was fair game.. The noise and turmoil behind you was unsettling.. Please God, no more nightmares.. not now...
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Post by bug on Mar 13, 2022 16:18:52 GMT 10
Nah, I don't think this will be WWII. I think Vlad will get his way with NATO repeatedly backing down. His conditions will be recognition of Crimea's return to Russia, ending the water blockade that is turning Crimea back to a semi-desert and recognition/Ukrainian withdrawl from the Donbass separatist areas. There's no reason to up the stakes when you can publicly humiliate NATO and western europe. Germany still buys Russian gas. China has stepped in with Unionpay to replace SWIFT. Russia will go back to a soviet standard of living, with Vlad in power and China buying all the things that the west wont. This will look like a victory for him in the Russian media.
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Post by bce1 on Mar 13, 2022 16:26:13 GMT 10
I hesitate to respond as I’m no expert!! My armchair view…. I think no one can make anything beyond a wild guess. Rational thought says no. But the sanctions against Russia could be argued to be every bit as catastrophic as some tactical nuclear strikes! So it hinges on how Putin and those around him respond. Ditto in terms of how China reacts - hinges around the impact on Russia over the next couple of weeks. If the west keeps poking a cornered bear we could see a violent response.
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Post by Stealth on Mar 13, 2022 16:32:32 GMT 10
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I guess we all have. But I'm not really sure about my answer.
There's obviously a lot of things in the works that could lead to WW3. Could it happen? For sure. I think the risk is higher than it has been for quite some time. I have to agree with MWT, I think for us the closest impact will be on our economy. We're not a part of NATO, just close allies with some that are. Our PM is so busy avoiding literally ANYthing that I don't see us being thrown face-first into conflict in a hurry. The spoiler to that is if the PM does what he normally does and throws all the power to an underling so that if it all goes to custard he can blame them.
Enter the Great Potato who's absolutely determined to make himself a war-time Defence Minister and that's where I can see things going badly for us. If he's given free range to do whatever he deems best well... We're goin' ta war, boys.
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Post by frostbite on Mar 13, 2022 16:48:07 GMT 10
I doubt the war in Ukraine will lead to WW3. Just higher prices and perhaps some shortages here in Aus. I wouldn't be surprised if big business here get greedy, raise prices and blame the war because consumers are being conditioned by the media to expect higher prices.
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Post by spinifex on Mar 13, 2022 17:06:05 GMT 10
Luckily, or otherwise, Ive already done my military service, and are too old now anyway (and too crook as well !), to be of much use as cannon fodder in a world conflict, that we no doubt we will get ourselves involved in due to the globalist influence on our weak as p.ss Polifilths. I'm pretty sure that in WW3 everyone in Oz is a combatant wether they want to be or not.
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Post by malewithatail on Mar 13, 2022 18:01:15 GMT 10
As they are in Ukraine. Wonder what a 22 hollow point can do if you really need to defend your country and yourself ? We have been pussified. Pray,but pass the ammunition.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Mar 14, 2022 6:30:10 GMT 10
Russia will go back to a soviet standard of living, with Vlad in power and China buying all the things that the west wont. This will look like a victory for him in the Russian media. Apple stores already stripped bare in some places, should replace the logo with just an apple core... Facebook apparently shut down in Russia. Some locals, especially elderly, who grew up under USSR, think Vlad is protecting them, as they hark back to the glory days of free housing and education. Sugar unavailable in some stores (looking at you, FB)
Some Russian bank transactions not allowed by those already in the West.
Then the spare parts for their western cars will no longer be available, and they will slowly see the bad side, but the iron curtain will be in place.
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Post by Joey on Mar 14, 2022 17:47:58 GMT 10
Russia will go back to a soviet standard of living, with Vlad in power and China buying all the things that the west wont. This will look like a victory for him in the Russian media. Apple stores already stripped bare in some places, should replace the logo with just an apple core... Facebook apparently shut down in Russia. Some Russian bank transactions not allowed by those already in the West. Then the spare parts for their western cars will no longer be available, and they will slowly see the bad side, but the iron curtain will be in place.
Lots of companies have left Russia, and China apparently isn't happy with Putin either as he promised Xi that he would take it in a 3 day cakewalk
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Post by milspec on Mar 15, 2022 10:14:41 GMT 10
I don't expect this to go nuclear. IMHO the West is telling Putin he can have Ukraine but none of the existing NATO countries and the West will support an arms length war of attrition within Ukraine and make it as expensive as possible for Putin.
I think the same signals are clear to Xi Jinping hence I also expect Xi Jinping to consider the short term costs of taking Taiwan to be a reasonable trade off and he will take Taiwan. He'll also be planning on making the most of his bolstered trading relationship with Russia to minimise the impact of Western sanctions.
The West will have to come to terms with the lunacy of thinking the world is one big happy market place where everyone gets along. However those lessons will fade into obscurity once again as globalists look to keep the profits on high by exploiting some other foreign countries cheap workforce and low manufacturing costs. Military budgets will decline again as The Russian and Chinese invasions are forgotten, sovereign resilience will continue to deteriorate and the cycle will continue.
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Post by norseman on Mar 15, 2022 13:28:03 GMT 10
I think the same signals are clear to Xi Jinping hence I also expect Xi Jinping to consider the short term costs of taking Taiwan to be a reasonable trade off and he will take Taiwan. He'll also be planning on making the most of his bolstered trading relationship with Russia to minimise the impact of Western sanctions. I think something could go off on the North Pacific Side of Russia which opens a second front that Putin will need to deal with, it will really screw him! If the initial round of sanctions doesn't make the CCP think twice then it's probably on for young and old!
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Post by iceage on Mar 15, 2022 17:11:08 GMT 10
Apple stores already stripped bare in some places, should replace the logo with just an apple core... Facebook apparently shut down in Russia. Some Russian bank transactions not allowed by those already in the West. Then the spare parts for their western cars will no longer be available, and they will slowly see the bad side, but the iron curtain will be in place.
Lots of companies have left Russia, and China apparently isn't happy with Putin either as he promised Xi that he would take it in a 3 day cakewalk Not sure who is the unlucky one here, us or Russia? No maccas and no netflix, Russia might just become one of the most healthy and well adjusted countries on earth!
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Post by Stealth on Mar 15, 2022 17:23:08 GMT 10
No maccas and no netflix, Russia might just become one of the most healthy and well adjusted countries on earth! Maybe. You'd have to ask a North Korean their opinion on that. Ok, a little facetious . But the sign of an easily controlled country is a country half asleep. It's much easier to subjugate the masses when they're fat dumb and happy, and take away things that people are used to and you rarely get a peaceful outcome. North Koreans are generationally used to being crushed by their ruling bodies. They don't have a bourgeoisie class to have experience with those 'luxuries'. Russia does. It'll be interesting to see whether they get the irrits on hard enough to start pushing back or whether their national rhetoric will be strong enough that they'll push through. They're a very strong people after all.
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Post by iceage on Mar 15, 2022 17:46:19 GMT 10
No maccas and no netflix, Russia might just become one of the most healthy and well adjusted countries on earth! Maybe. You'd have to ask a North Korean their opinion on that. Ok, a little facetious . But the sign of an easily controlled country is a country half asleep. It's much easier to subjugate the masses when they're fat dumb and happy, and take away things that people are used to and you rarely get a peaceful outcome. North Koreans are generationally used to being crushed by their ruling bodies. They don't have a bourgeoisie class to have experience with those 'luxuries'. Russia does. It'll be interesting to see whether they get the irrits on hard enough to start pushing back or whether their national rhetoric will be strong enough that they'll push through. They're a very strong people after all. It might take a lot more than taking away fast food and crap tv. My personal opinion is those are not really luxuries, they are unhealthy and should not be missed.
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Post by tactile on Mar 15, 2022 18:04:53 GMT 10
They're a very strong people after all. No offense Stealth, but I was wondering if you have met any Russians? Maybe your experience is different to mine.
Of all the ones I have met, "Strength" isn't a term I would use to describe them. Not compared to Chinese, or swedish anyway, who both have had similar experiences with Communism in recent times.
Something special happened to Russians from my experience...
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