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Post by frostbite on Jul 10, 2022 10:05:56 GMT 10
Settled by winter at least?
We're half way through winter already. Not sure what the situation is up your way MWAT, but around here the supermarkets are full of food, the petrol stations are full of fuel, no blackouts, no real shortages of anything.
Just prices have gone up.
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Post by ausprep130 on Jul 10, 2022 10:23:56 GMT 10
"However i see restrictions being in place for home charging, Australia will bugger up fast charging through incompetence and risk the whole show in EVs, i don’t like all the AI “smart” crap and other flashy junk that comes with new cars and EVs will be full of it. EVs will create havoc with the grid under current circumstances. Most importantly batteries are likely to suffer from huge shortages of critical components all the way through the supply chain, call it Liebigs law of the minimum for EVs. " 10 years ago,who would have thought the then brand new lithium battery technology would mature to what it is, and getting better. We are looking at installing somenew solar systems on various dwellings here, and upgrading another one, and seriously considering lithium technology. 3.000 cycles to 90 %, 8,000 cycles (21 years) to 20 %, lead acid cant keep up and would be destroyed in a year or so. Yes, nicad or nife are good cycling alternatives, but expensive and not easily obtainable. 400 amp hours at 24 volts for around $7 K. The said cells are designed for EV's, but are a large format prismatic type vs the Tesla style of 1,000 's of small cells (18650 cells), all connected up in series, parallel groups and giving 1,000 's of potential points of failure. I remember seeing, in a Popular Mechanics Magazine or similar, in the 60's, a design for a road that acted like an opened up transformer and could run a vehicle without needing a battery. I think a pilot project was even built, but probably stomped on by the oil industry at the time. EV's are a technology that hasn't quite come of age yet, but will it have massive ramifications when, not if, it matures, and once again, charging is the issue. There was talk about exchangeable battery paks, u drive in, the battery is swapped over for a full one, and out u go in less than 10 minutes. I think EV's are where Lithium battery's were 10 years ago, not quite perfected and with potential. Fossil fuels will still be needed,or perhaps hydrogen, and heavy vehicles are an issue, especially a 4 or 5 trailer road train, powered by a massive 1,000 hp diesel, thundering along at 80 mph for 100's Km will be hard to replace with an electric equivalent. The biggest problem is going to be charging. There is already laws in the EU that make it compulsory for the EV manufacturer to allow the Electric Company to remotely shut down EV charging during peak hours, say 6 till 10 pm. Also, Teslas seem to catch fire easily,and the cops on the UK are having issues with EV's dying during chases and having to call for a backup conventional vehicle to rescue them. Perhaps a stop gap technology is hybrid, less emissions, which is appealing to the greenies, and also unlimited range, albeit at a slower pace due to the much smaller engine and generator. Perhaps plastering the vehicle with super efficient solar cells, who knows what can happen with enough money shoved at the problem. Perhaps cold fusion will get up and run, all I'm saying is that technology doesn't stand still. The technology now in micro processors is an example. Chips are now being produced commercially containing over 70 trillion transistors.
There is too much cash being splashed at the EV issue to not have someone crack it.
The future is going to be interesting, if we survive to see it. Its easier to obtain forgiveness than permission. I don't think Australia will bugger up EV charging infrastructure because of incompetence. Instead it will be buggered up on purpose and a certain group of people and businesses will make huge profits doing so why the rest of the population (plebs) simply put up with it. As with everything, follow the money. Who will profit from EV's once they are in use? It is my firm belief that the so called 'free' power from solar will not be allowed to be used to charge EV's. It might not happen for a few years but it will come into effect. One will have to install a specific battery bank at home which requires a specific charger than cannot be supported by solar and must be connected to the grid. It will also need regular 'servicing' much like the water treatment systems that have replaced septic tanks on rural blocks over the last 10-15years. It's all designed to take as much money from consumers as possible.
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Post by frostbite on Jul 10, 2022 11:44:54 GMT 10
Can the EV lovers here provide a viable solution with current technology and infrastructure for me to bug out with 1.5 tonne of supplies the 350km from my home to my retreat during a breakdown in society?
Didn't think so.
Argument over.
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Post by norseman on Jul 10, 2022 11:57:57 GMT 10
In Oz it will come to pass that only State and Federal Government entities will be authorised to use vehicles that run on Fossil Fuels! The Politifilth will make this happen in our lifetime!
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Post by spatial on Jul 10, 2022 12:48:45 GMT 10
In Oz it will come to pass that only State and Federal Government entities will be authorised to use vehicles that run on Fossil Fuels! The Politifilth will make this happen in our lifetime! There is not enough lithium in the world to make all the EV batteries that will be needed. It is wishful thinking, just like the Netherlands wanting to ban all farming. Politics will swing to the right again after all the recessions and inflation.
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Post by captain on Jul 10, 2022 13:15:00 GMT 10
Can the EV lovers here provide a viable solution with current technology and infrastructure for me to bug out with 1.5 tonne of supplies the 350km from my home to my retreat during a breakdown in society? Didn't think so. Argument over. Easy. Check this out: www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/The technology is there. You just need to find one though as the electric f150 has proven to be more than successful and has surpassed ford’s expectations. I read somewhere that some guy in or near Melbourne was trying to import a few. so don’t be so quick to call the argument over :-). You just need to be more aware and accepting of what is happening in the market. edit: just read that more are being produced and ford aus will be bringing them here mid 2023 (but there are some from the initial batch that are grey imports). This might be my next vehicle.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 10, 2022 13:43:01 GMT 10
I meant next winter.....Summer is coming. And yes, I see also the Polyfilths legislating that you cant charge your solar car with your own solar. And taxing you for it, switching it off when it suits them etc.
I have actually considered how I would go about running an electric car from our stand alone solar. The main issue will be charging, and the charger will know its not grid connected and may not even work stand alone. And also the interfering with the charging regime by the powers that bee would really piss me off.
I can also see kits appearing to convert popular ICE vehicles to electric. Its not that hard, witness the number and variety of electric bike conversions available. Scale up and there's the homemade EV market. I know of a couple of EV's that were home made some years ago, when I was involved with the Sydney Electric Vehicle Club, but battery's stumped them back then, getting enough range was the issue with heavy lead acid technology.
Conversions for utes seem to be available, but once again, charging would be the issue. A fast charger will need about 300 kw, well outside the scope of home construction, whilst a overnight charger will need to be around 5 kw to fully charge a 50 kwh battery in 10 hours. Then, the sun only shines in the day, so you cant charge off the sun at night, unless you take it from your house battery. Ive no doubt there are solutions and someone is working on cracking it now, but to get 50 kwh in a day, you would need a 10 kw solar array, that's 40 off 250 watt panels, plus a controller. Its possible, but cumbersome. Then there's overcast or bad weather. A home, off grid charged EV is possible, and if you don't have any set schedule to maintain, and workable if you throw enough money at it. Otherwise, its the grid connection option.
Anyway, steam may be the way to go, burning totally renewable trees !
It's not geek. Its socially challenged, dammit !!
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Post by frostbite on Jul 10, 2022 16:35:26 GMT 10
Can the EV lovers here provide a viable solution with current technology and infrastructure for me to bug out with 1.5 tonne of supplies the 350km from my home to my retreat during a breakdown in society? Didn't think so. Argument over. Easy. Check this out: www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/The technology is there. You just need to find one though as the electric f150 has proven to be more than successful and has surpassed ford’s expectations. I read somewhere that some guy in or near Melbourne was trying to import a few. so don’t be so quick to call the argument over :-). You just need to be more aware and accepting of what is happening in the market. edit: just read that more are being produced and ford aus will be bringing them here mid 2023 (but there are some from the initial batch that are grey imports). This might be my next vehicle. Now that's what I'd need to convert me to an EV. 2025 I get a massive super payout. Might just buy one of those Lightnings.
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Post by captain on Jul 10, 2022 17:25:36 GMT 10
Easy. Check this out: www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/The technology is there. You just need to find one though as the electric f150 has proven to be more than successful and has surpassed ford’s expectations. I read somewhere that some guy in or near Melbourne was trying to import a few. so don’t be so quick to call the argument over :-). You just need to be more aware and accepting of what is happening in the market. edit: just read that more are being produced and ford aus will be bringing them here mid 2023 (but there are some from the initial batch that are grey imports). This might be my next vehicle. Now that's what I'd need to convert me to an EV. 2025 I get a massive super payout. Might just buy one of those Lightnings. We did it - we converted him. :-) I plan to buy one too…
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Post by dadbod on Jul 10, 2022 20:40:10 GMT 10
This thread again is trying to polarise people to EV lovers or ICE addicts... I see it differently. I think the market is going one way and I dont want to be left with a vehicle that I cant afford to drive. EV is the future, and digging your heels in wont stop the wave. I really dont care about the other stuff. It will have issues no doubt, but I think being an early adopter may insulate me from some future regulation or supply squeeze.
unleaded could be at $4 a litre very soon. shit will hit the fan then.
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Post by frostbite on Jul 10, 2022 21:04:35 GMT 10
Ev's won't be any cheaper to drive. You will pay a tax for every kilometre you drive. The grubbyment has been working on this for years.
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Post by spatial on Jul 10, 2022 21:50:10 GMT 10
This thread again is trying to polarise people to EV lovers or ICE addicts... I see it differently. I think the market is going one way and I dont want to be left with a vehicle that I cant afford to drive. EV is the future, and digging your heels in wont stop the wave. I really dont care about the other stuff. It will have issues no doubt, but I think being an early adopter may insulate me from some future regulation or supply squeeze. unleaded could be at $4 a litre very soon. shit will hit the fan then. Yip, fuel prices go in new crazy, but so are energy. Load sheadding be realised in summer. How does one charge overnight. In California they have banned people buying high end gaming graphics cards for pc as they use too much electricity. But they want everyone to drive and charge there ev overnight, when solar is not working....
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Post by Tim Horton on Jul 11, 2022 3:11:55 GMT 10
I remember seeing, in a Popular Mechanics Magazine or similar, in the 60's, a design for a road that acted like an opened up transformer and could run a vehicle without needing a battery. I think a pilot project was even built, but probably stomped on by the oil industry at the time. === There are a couple systems like this supposedly in process of being built or early stages of use.. How effective and useful remains to be seen it seems.. This all estimated to cost about $1 million per mile.. \\\ /// I think it is funny as all hello that the UK cops run out of power.. "dispatch, send a tow truck to 1 st and Main we lost the suspect due to a flat battery" === Can the EV lovers here provide a viable solution with current technology and infrastructure for me to bug out with 1.5 tonne of supplies the 350km from my home to my retreat during a breakdown in society?
Didn't think so. === I think Europe is still used to all you need in small neighborhoods, groceries, hardware, you name it all in walking, bike proximity.. And countries being 1 hour drive wide by 3 hours drive long..
Like said.. Only government authorized shipping to supply these villages, hamlets and the like.. You get what they bring, like it or lump it..
Enough rant for the day... My brain hurts..
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Post by bug on Jul 11, 2022 9:24:13 GMT 10
In Oz it will come to pass that only State and Federal Government entities will be authorised to use vehicles that run on Fossil Fuels! The Politifilth will make this happen in our lifetime! There is not enough lithium in the world to make all the EV batteries that will be needed. It is wishful thinking, just like the Netherlands wanting to ban all farming. Politics will swing to the right again after all the recessions and inflation. Doesn't need to be. Just like ICE vehicles having a range of fuels, there are a range of emerging battery technologies. Each with pros and cons and a price point. And if that all falls over, there is literally a near endless supply of hydrogen waiting to jump into the market.
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Post by bug on Jul 11, 2022 9:27:47 GMT 10
And yes, I see also the Polyfilths legislating that you cant charge your solar car with your own solar. And taxing you for it, switching it off when it suits them etc. Even the very authoritarian Victorian government subsidises rooftop solar and home batteries. It would be very strange indeed for them to try to ban you from charging at home given that they're already using EVs as an excuse to introduce a per/km road tax. Give with one hand, take with the other, increase control. It's a typical government playbook.
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Post by bug on Jul 11, 2022 9:30:33 GMT 10
I think the market is going one way and I dont want to be left with a vehicle that I cant afford to drive. EV is the future, and digging your heels in wont stop the wave. I really dont care about the other stuff. It will have issues no doubt, but I think being an early adopter may insulate me from some future regulation or supply squeeze. unleaded could be at $4 a litre very soon. shit will hit the fan then. That's a fair take on it. Early adopters of solar got 60c/kWh. You are lucky to get 10c now and sometimes nothing at all With the govt looking to use EVs as an excuse for a per/km road tax, it wouldn't surprise me if at some stage all new vehicles of all types had a mandatory tracking device 'to prevent tax fraud'. Getting in early may help avoid this.
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Post by Joey on Jul 11, 2022 18:04:05 GMT 10
This thread again is trying to polarise people to EV lovers or ICE addicts... I see it differently. I think the market is going one way and I dont want to be left with a vehicle that I cant afford to drive. EV is the future, and digging your heels in wont stop the wave. I really dont care about the other stuff. It will have issues no doubt, but I think being an early adopter may insulate me from some future regulation or supply squeeze. unleaded could be at $4 a litre very soon. shit will hit the fan then. Yip, fuel prices go in new crazy, but so are energy. Load sheadding be realised in summer. How does one charge overnight. In California they have banned people buying high end gaming graphics cards for pc as they use too much electricity. But they want everyone to drive and charge there ev overnight, when solar is not working.... Commiefornia has also put in place set days you are allowed to charge your EV, similar to what most councils have here for set watering days depending on your house number because too many people were plugging in and causing havoc on the grid when everybody plugged their car in at night
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Post by ausprep130 on Jul 12, 2022 8:06:23 GMT 10
And yes, I see also the Polyfilths legislating that you cant charge your solar car with your own solar. And taxing you for it, switching it off when it suits them etc. Even the very authoritarian Victorian government subsidises rooftop solar and home batteries. It would be very strange indeed for them to try to ban you from charging at home given that they're already using EVs as an excuse to introduce a per/km road tax. Give with one hand, take with the other, increase control. It's a typical government playbook. Give it time
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Post by bug on Jul 12, 2022 9:03:33 GMT 10
Yip, fuel prices go in new crazy, but so are energy. Load sheadding be realised in summer. How does one charge overnight. In California they have banned people buying high end gaming graphics cards for pc as they use too much electricity. But they want everyone to drive and charge there ev overnight, when solar is not working.... Commiefornia has also put in place set days you are allowed to charge your EV, similar to what most councils have here for set watering days depending on your house number because too many people were plugging in and causing havoc on the grid when everybody plugged their car in at night California is a good example of how not to run an electricity grid. It is rife with abuse. Generators have repeatedly reduced production to get the price to spike on high load days. Not sure if it's been cleaned up recently. But really, if you have your own rooftop solar all you have to do is flip your mains switch and charge your car. This will not show up on your electricity meter. The whole idea of prepping is to separate yourself from government idiocy. The California situation just does not exist in Australia. The recent events that those with an axe to grind and no understanding of the electricity market claimed was a 'shortage caused by renewables' showed this. AEMO saw generators trying to exploit high pricing by dropping their generation levels. AEMO stepped in and took control. There was at no time any shortage anywhere. No blackouts, nothing. That's the way a well regulated marked is supposed to work and the way it did work.
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Post by frostbite on Jul 21, 2022 11:30:23 GMT 10
For the EV lovers here, NSW will introduce a tax of 2.5 cents per km travelled for all EV's from July 2027. Expect other States to follow suite. Hybrids will be charged 80% of the tax.
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