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Post by Joey on Jul 24, 2022 6:35:03 GMT 10
Give it 15yrs and the EV mileage tax will be around $1/Km as we know how greedy the states are for handouts money from their subservient plebs, especially us in Qld that just had all our traffic fines almost doubled. Guess we've got to pay for an olym[pics that nobody wanted somehow.
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Post by bug on Jul 24, 2022 14:11:10 GMT 10
Authoritarian governments don't like independent citizens. EVs help create independent citizens.
My crystal ball says this. 1) EV tax will end up being levied federally. But not until they are the dominant form of vehicle. This will provide a good excuse to track everyone's vehicles to 'prevent fraud' and to implement things like a congestion tax. 2) Home EV chargers that can also act as home batteries will need to be registered and inspected annually at a fee payable to the govt. Because 'safety'. Show a picture of a burning EV on the news (whilst ignoring the hundreds of burnt out ICE vehicles in scrapyards accross the country) if fear porn is needed to maintain the narrative.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 24, 2022 15:24:56 GMT 10
Just having a talk to a harvest contractor and discussing EV's. Visualizing a 20 ton header, 30 foot wide, stripping grain, towing a battery pack and a diesel generator behind it !
Think it through you stupid Govt jerks before opening your big, uninformed, gobs.
Our civilization turns oil into food, and to change that is going to be very hard and hurt, or starve, a lot of people.
Life can be great if you live it to the fullest.
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Post by d on Jul 26, 2022 6:27:31 GMT 10
Just having a talk to a harvest contractor and discussing EV's. Visualizing a 20 ton header, 30 foot wide, stripping grain, towing a battery pack and a diesel generator behind it ! Think it through you stupid Govt jerks before opening your big, uninformed, gobs. Our civilization turns oil into food, and to change that is going to be very hard and hurt, or starve, a lot of people. Life can be great if you live it to the fullest. So just to confirm, you and your farmer mate stood around imagining electric farm equipment… and then proceeded to blame the government…
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 26, 2022 9:28:11 GMT 10
Just having a talk to a harvest contractor and discussing EV's. Visualizing a 20 ton header, 30 foot wide, stripping grain, towing a battery pack and a diesel generator behind it ! Think it through you stupid Govt jerks before opening your big, uninformed, gobs. Our civilization turns oil into food, and to change that is going to be very hard and hurt, or starve, a lot of people. Life can be great if you live it to the fullest. So just to confirm, you and your farmer mate stood around imagining electric farm equipment… and then proceeded to blame the government… When you are perched 12 foot above the ground on the John Deere Header, going round and round a 20,000 ha paddock for 14 hours a day, with commercial radio reception flaky at best, and your only companion is the bin truck driver beside you, the UHF would make your ears burn sometimes ! All sorts of things are discussed out of boredom. And no, we didn't stand around discussing electric farm equipment as such.....
Not blaming the Government as they know no better.
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Post by captain on Jul 26, 2022 22:18:26 GMT 10
So just to confirm, you and your farmer mate stood around imagining electric farm equipment… and then proceeded to blame the government… , going round and round a 20,000 ha paddock for 14 hours a day, A 20,000 ha paddock!!! Is this an exaggeration? I can’t imagine a single paddock being that big - sure, have it fenced into sectors or something, but 20,000 as one paddock seems a tad excessive.
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Post by bug on Jul 28, 2022 11:59:52 GMT 10
Equipment like harvesters will get an exemption for sure. Many trucks also aren't covered by the restriction.
For sure 100 years ago there were two guys harvesting with their horses, saying that these newfangled petrol things will never be able to plow a field. "How am I going to refuel it every 30 minutes..."
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Post by Beno on Jul 28, 2022 14:32:01 GMT 10
The torque offered by an electric motor makes their use in farm tractors an interesting proposal. “Just having a talk to a harvest contractor and discussing EV's. Visualizing a 20 ton header, 30 foot wide, stripping grain, towing a battery pack and a diesel generator behind it !” what like this?
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Post by ausprep130 on Jul 28, 2022 15:02:41 GMT 10
Won't need to tow anything - just need a really, really, really long extension lead.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 28, 2022 15:57:58 GMT 10
The torque offered by an electric motor makes their use in farm tractors an interesting proposal. “Just having a talk to a harvest contractor and discussing EV's. Visualizing a 20 ton header, 30 foot wide, stripping grain, towing a battery pack and a diesel generator behind it !” what like this? Cumon you government jerks, electric that, isnt it a beautiful sight ? Thats exactly what Im talking about.
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Post by bug on Jul 28, 2022 16:59:20 GMT 10
Electric motors have got vastly more potential than ICEs do. ICEs are essentially at the end of their research and there's not much more that can be gotten out of petrol in terms of energy density. Improvements are pretty minor now for both.
Electric motors on the other hand are a totally different story. There is plenty of room for improvement, especially in the 'fuel' side of things. Even without any government intervention at all, I'd be betting that electric engines would dominate in the next 10-20yrs purely from a performance point of view.
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Post by Joey on Jul 28, 2022 18:58:25 GMT 10
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Post by spinifex on Jul 31, 2022 20:33:33 GMT 10
Hmmmmm ... Europe seems determined to send itself extinct. In so many different ways.
I'd like to drive a nuclear/steam turbine powered car please. One designed to last 100 years and not require refueling with anything other than water in that time frame.
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Post by bug on Aug 1, 2022 9:08:55 GMT 10
Other environmentalist would throw rocks at me, but nuclear is a form of green energy. Coal has killed hundred to thousands of times as many people as nuclear, yet on this issue it gets a free pass. Nuclear is vastly safer now than the bad old days too. Look at Fukushima. It took an earthquake and a tsunami to knock it over. It took a while to blow and the area had already been evacuated. If it wasn't for the idiotic decision to not let the workers plug in seawater for emergency cooling, the plant would have survived.
There's no such thing as completely clean energy, but there are choices we can make to improve things. Nuclear, wind, solar, hydro and batteries when combined are enough to run any grid. With all it's other useful properties, future generations may view us as irresponsible morons for burning oil instead of saving it for plastic products, pharmeceuticals etc.
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 1, 2022 9:23:23 GMT 10
Renewables work, we've been totally off grid on our last two properties for over 45 years, and survived, well. No regrets, its involved a few lifestyle changes, but doing firewood keeps me healthy. Solar is just so cheap now, my first solar panel I bought over 40 years ago put out 60 watts, and cost over $600, now a 400 watt panel is less than $350. Lithium technology is still got a way to go, but it offers the holy grail of battery technology, large cycle life, along with efficiency of charge/discharge. I'm sure there are a vast number of small properties with a creek flowing through that can be used to generate power from a small turbine. 30 meters head at 1 liter/second will give over 150 watts continuously, enough for a household. Have we saved money from not using the grid over these years ? Probably not, but we also didn't have to spend the hundreds of thousands dollars to get the grid to the remote properties, and also ridden out bad weather blackouts etc.
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Post by Tim Horton on Aug 2, 2022 1:57:08 GMT 10
Just having a talk to a harvest contractor and discussing EV's. Visualizing a 20 ton header, 30 foot wide, stripping grain, towing a battery pack and a diesel generator behind it ! --- --- Now you know this is something few would think about or visualize... A 20,000 ha paddock..... We have that here in the prairie provinces... I'm sure you also have that in some areas there... My brother in law does custom plant, harvest work with equipment like the picture Beno posted... It is a VERY significant investment..
One step further... Here in the far north west... Can you imagine the battery pack it would take to run a John Deere tree harvester capable of felling, bucking trees over a meter diameter at the base and 30 plus meters high ?? Here, they chip a lot of wood right in the bush as you can get more cubic meters of wood on an 8 axle truck as chips than as logs on a 9 axle log truck.. Think of the battery pack to run that chipper, feller processor, and other machinery...
People need to get GYHOOYA... It is a much bigger world than just there suburb..
(GYHOOYA is a term I used with my kids as they required it.. Standing for get your head out of your a$$)
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Post by dadbod on Aug 2, 2022 8:16:57 GMT 10
I hear people raise problems and think that that is a barrier to the use of renewables. thats fine to plant your feet in the mud, but others will see your problems and work out solutions, and by doing so be very successful.
the solutions wont be putting an electric motor where every ICE is, or a battery for every fuel tank. it is in redesigning the work to be able to use our new and better tools.
its foolish to think that we wont abandon this old polluting technology when the better alternative arrives. we didnt stop at the horse and cart, why would we stop at the ICE car?
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 2, 2022 8:59:09 GMT 10
Just having a talk to a harvest contractor and discussing EV's. Visualizing a 20 ton header, 30 foot wide, stripping grain, towing a battery pack and a diesel generator behind it ! --- --- Now you know this is something few would think about or visualize... A 20,000 ha paddock..... We have that here in the prairie provinces... I'm sure you also have that in some areas there... My brother in law does custom plant, harvest work with equipment like the picture Beno posted... It is a VERY significant investment.. One step further... Here in the far north west... Can you imagine the battery pack it would take to run a John Deere tree harvester capable of felling, bucking trees over a meter diameter at the base and 30 plus meters high ?? Here, they chip a lot of wood right in the bush as you can get more cubic meters of wood on an 8 axle truck as chips than as logs on a 9 axle log truck.. Think of the battery pack to run that chipper, feller processor, and other machinery... People need to get GYHOOYA... It is a much bigger world than just there suburb.. (GYHOOYA is a term I used with my kids as they required it.. Standing for get your head out of your a$$) The logical thing the elites will do is ban wood chipping, solves the so called environmental problems as well as the engine issue.
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 2, 2022 9:04:14 GMT 10
the solutions wont be putting an electric motor where every ICE is, or a battery for every fuel tank. it is in redesigning the work to be able to use our new and better tools.
its foolish to think that we wont abandon this old polluting technology when the better alternative arrives. we didnt stop at the horse and cart, why would we stop at the ICE car?
Wrong, the response to this will be the banning of any pursuit associated with the use of an ICE, such as firewood, driving, planting etc.
Simple really.
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Post by bug on Aug 2, 2022 9:25:43 GMT 10
"One step further... Here in the far north west... Can you imagine the battery pack it would take to run a John Deere tree harvester capable of felling, bucking trees over a meter diameter at the base and 30 plus meters high ?? Here, they chip a lot of wood right in the bush as you can get more cubic meters of wood on an 8 axle truck as chips than as logs on a 9 axle log truck.. Think of the battery pack to run that chipper, feller processor, and other machinery..."
Yes. The energy density available in batteries is increasing at a record rate. There's no reason at all not to expect that it won't match, then exceed that of petroleum in the near future. That exact kind of argument was used by those who wanted to stick with the horse and plow, mocking the new machinery that was becoming available. History repeats.
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